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The Trial of Pastor Amy DeLong: Methodism and Same-Sex unions
Time ^ | 1 July 2011 | Justin horwath

Posted on 07/05/2011 11:11:48 PM PDT by Cronos

The Rev. Amy DeLong, a Methodist pastor from Osceola, Wisconsin, decided to come clean. She brought to the attention of her local bishop that she had officiated over the same-sex union of a lesbian couple... She also told the bishop that she might as well be prosecuted for something else: she is in a lesbian partnership.

And so, last week, DeLong, 44, faced a jury of church elders in Kaukauna, Wisconsin. At issue was whether she violated the Book of Discipline, which guides the church's teachings, by blessing the same sex union and for being a "self avowed, practicing homosexual." The 13-member jury acquitted her on the second charge. But it also found her guilty of the first. But that's where something historic happened. The elders handed down the first sentence in 20 years of United Methodist jurisprudence that did not indefinitely suspend or defrock an elder for officiating a same-sex union.

Instead, DeLong's sentence is a 20-day suspension that also calls on her to draft a document that will outline procedures for the Methodist clergy to resolve issues that "harm the clergy covenant, create an adversarial spirit or lead to future clergy trials." ...

DeLong's trial materialized just as hundreds of U.S. Methodist clergy have been signing petitions declaring they would officiate over same-sex unions. It's creating a rift in a church that's increasingly looking more conservative than its mainline Protestant peers, which have become more accepting of gay leaders and practices. ...

The ranks of professing U.S. Methodists have been shrinking, with 2009 membership down 1.22% from 2008, at 7.8 million... "My trial doesn't change anything at all," DeLong says. "We just don't have the votes to overturn the rules right now."

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: feminazi; feminazism; lesbian; lesbonazi; lesbonaziagenda; lesbonazism; methodism; umc
Note -- the gay says "to overturn the rules RIGHT NOW"..... it's out in the open fellow Christians and hitting each denomination
1 posted on 07/05/2011 11:11:54 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: xzins; redgolum; lightman

I;m surprised the bishop didn’t see she was lesbian from the start — I took one look at the pic and thought that!


2 posted on 07/05/2011 11:12:48 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Yep, I’ve always wondered about that. Lesbians are female, and are supposedly females who simply love other females. Yet many, not all, but many, seem to go out of their way to present a mannish appearance to the world.

I’ve almost made the mistake of thinking a mannish woman was really a man. Certainly these females know that they appear to be very mannish, and want to appear that way.


3 posted on 07/05/2011 11:18:09 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Cronos

Communist goal #26.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize
the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


4 posted on 07/05/2011 11:26:03 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Cronos
This one is a lesbian? NAAAWWWWW. I don't believe it. I could probably sit in her church for 20 years and never would have caught on.


5 posted on 07/06/2011 12:07:09 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: VeniVidiVici

Like they say, it’s not rocket science.


6 posted on 07/06/2011 1:01:25 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Cronos

Before I had even read the story, I saw the picture and said to myself, “no wonder she did this,she’s a lesbian” and sure enough it was confirmed.


7 posted on 07/06/2011 1:46:36 AM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: packrat35; lightman; redgolum; xzins
I've had this discussion before and to me it really seems a direct causal link from the time that pastoresses are appointed to "gay marriages"

I knew that there are some churches that have women pastoresses for the past decade and disavow gay marriages, but I think, putting on a logical, non-denominational hat that there is a linkage and it is better not to even step on that road.

8 posted on 07/06/2011 1:56:43 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: VeniVidiVici; jmranchman
John Daly is a lesbian?

9 posted on 07/06/2011 2:00:57 AM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (HTML impaired)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Yet many, not all, but many, seem to go out of their way to present a mannish appearance to the world.

Isn't it curious that homosexuality involves a denial of one's sex but not one's sexuality? Gender confusion is at the core of the homosexual experience. It is a mental illness, not a biological condition.

10 posted on 07/06/2011 2:21:18 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: Cronos

Are you claiming that women in the pastorate is linked with homosexuality?


11 posted on 07/06/2011 2:23:47 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Nope, as I said, logically I see a direct causal link from the time that pastoresses are appointed to "gay marriages"

Take any denomination that has added in pastoresses.

Let's take for instance the ECUSA, here is a timeline


12 posted on 07/06/2011 2:37:42 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
That was just the ECUSA, now let see the PCUSA

first pastoresses allowed in the 70s, then by 1997 an Amendment to allow ordination of those not faithful in marriage or chaste in singleness and finally now gay marriages.

There is a link, don't you think so? If not, I welcome your thoughts

13 posted on 07/06/2011 2:41:02 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Don’t get me started. My ministry was obliterated due to the influence of homosexuality in the UMC.


14 posted on 07/06/2011 3:05:55 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Actually I would like to get you “started” as you say — I probably completely misinterpreted your comment in post 11 thinking that you supported either pastoresses or gay ministers or both — I apologize. Please could you elaborate more? Thank you!


15 posted on 07/06/2011 3:16:48 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
People who feel this way should go join the Episcopal Church. They will find other loving people there who take in everybody because they love them. And there is no reason to feel bad if God's Word doesn't cure you of your sin, they will continue to accept and love you in the all-forgiving, all-inclusive Episcopal Church. If you all go over there, then the rest of our churches can stand for the real "God's Word". (Spoken by a FORMER Episcopalian!)

PS(And, while we're ranting, Democrats should stay in New York and not come "south" to get away from the taxes!).

16 posted on 07/06/2011 4:37:05 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Or, they could become Unitarians....where they could worship gay unicorns and it wouldn’t matter. - The upside would be they aren’t polluting the use of the word Christianity.


17 posted on 07/06/2011 4:44:48 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Or, they could become Unitarians....where they could worship gay unicorns and it wouldn’t matter. - The upside would be they aren’t polluting the use of the word Christianity.


18 posted on 07/06/2011 4:44:57 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: Cronos

Once a faith group starts disregarding God’s Word by allowing women as pastors, allowing homosexuality as normal is not that far of a step.

Stay true to the Word in all things!


19 posted on 07/06/2011 5:15:58 AM PDT by freemama
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To: NHResident
I agree -- Unitarians say "When any commentator says religion is against gay marriage, it really rankles me," said the Rev. Jan Carlsson-Bull of the Unitarian Univeralist Congregation of the Catskills.
20 posted on 07/06/2011 6:21:42 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Wisconsin has a liberal bishop and largely liberal pastors. This will be an “in your face” to the rules of the United Methodist Church.

Note that she admits she’s in a lesbian partnership but wasn’t convicted as a “self-avowed, practicing homosexual.”

I don’t know the details of the case, but I’m sure they danced around the meaning of those words, or she told them she isn’t currently “practicing” or some such nonsense.

Now, how do I become an Eastern Orthodox priest? :>)


21 posted on 07/06/2011 7:29:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Cronos
but I think, putting on a logical, non-denominational hat that there is a linkage and it is better not to even step on that road.

It's because Methodism has been on a long campaign with the culture to emasculate men. They don't want men with testosterone....they're not touchie-feelie enough. They want estrogenated men.

22 posted on 07/06/2011 7:32:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Cronos

I have a statement about my minidstry with the UMC at my home page. Click on my name to read.


23 posted on 07/06/2011 7:35:49 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: xzins
how do I become an Eastern Orthodox priest?

Get ordained by an Eastern Orthodox Bishop :)

you would of course need to become Orthodox firstly, then, as I'm sure you have the required knowledge, you still need to pass through an Orthodox seminary.

24 posted on 07/06/2011 7:36:22 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: xzins

But do you agree that there is a logical cause and effect? I think every other denomination should learn from this. I see with sadness that the EPC hasn’t (it just voted to allow pastoresses)


25 posted on 07/06/2011 7:43:23 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Instead, DeLong’s sentence is a 20-day suspension that also calls on her to draft a document that will outline procedures for the Methodist clergy to resolve issues that “harm the clergy covenant, create an adversarial spirit or lead to future clergy trials.” ...


Write a report and tell us how to resolve the homosexual issue........................

What are we,in 2nd grade?


26 posted on 07/06/2011 7:46:39 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Cronos
Hmm, a Protestant denomination which abandoned Paul's restriction against women in positions of authority over other believers is now infected with sodomites? Color me shocked.

Next you'll tell me that they're holding to the idea that Christianity should be more focused on social justice than it should be on holiness in the lives of the believers. This is the kind of sickness that infects a Church when it abandons the teachings of Christ and His Apostles. The word "Apostate" comes to mind for some reason...

1Cr 16:22 KJV - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

27 posted on 07/06/2011 9:29:29 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Yet many, not all, but many, seem to go out of their way to present a mannish appearance to the world.

If a feminine female is attracted to a 'male' type female, why not just go for the real deal??? It's a mystery to me...

28 posted on 07/06/2011 7:19:50 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: paladin1_dcs; xzins; lightman
Forget which denomination it is -- this is a lesson for everyone. Ordination of pastoresses/priestesses inevitably seems to lead to the next step of lesbian and gay pastoresses.

i cannot for the life of me understand how denominations like the EPC just allowed women priestesses knowing this history?

Do they want to make the same mistakes? It's incredible. If I was a pastor in the EPC I would at least notice what's going on in other denominations and LEARN and prevent my denomination from taking that first step on the slippery slope. How blind must one be not to learn from the mistakes of others?

29 posted on 07/06/2011 10:19:46 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Honestly Cronos, we’re making the assumption that the leadership of these Denominations is actually interested in preaching the Gospel, or are even saved for that matter.

You can’t get this level of rebellion out of a converted heart, we all know this. It goes back to asking if a man gathers figs of thistles, so should we even be considering Churches which do this kind of thing Christian any longer?


30 posted on 07/07/2011 5:38:55 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: paladin1_dcs; xzins; Mad Dawg
so should we even be considering Churches which do this kind of thing Christian any longer?

Bluntly, we need to consider them as containing Christians. I was once ready to say that "Anglicans" and "Methodists" are like this and that, but there are many deeply believing Methodists and Anglicans still in these churches.

I think we need to believe that there are some still remaining

Mad Dawg brought his deep thoughts and prayerfulness to us from the Anglican Church and he related a story some time ago that he as a member of the clergy there protested against a strong transgression by the Anglican Church. He got no response and that's when he moved stock-lock-and two smoking barrels.

So, I do believe that there are still good people left, but their numbers are diminishing, sadly

31 posted on 07/07/2011 5:48:36 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
Bluntly, we need to consider them as containing Christians.

I have no problem with that, as every Church has a remnant in it if it was ever alive in the first place. I'm starting to really wonder if the teaching about the Seven Churches mentioned in Revelation being the Seven Church Ages may be correct. This seems very similar to what Christ said to the Church of Thyatira.

[18] And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass; [19] I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last [to be] more than the first. [20] Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. [21] And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [22] Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [23] And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. [24] But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. [25] But that which ye have [already] hold fast till I come. [26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. [28] And I will give him the morning star. [29] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Rev 2:18-29 KJV

32 posted on 07/07/2011 7:28:11 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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