[Dr. Sivana]

Incorrect. mormons supported Reid over Angle.

I know. That is why I said Mormon FREEPERS supported Angle. Reid, Mo Udall and successor Udalls, etc. seem to be more culturally Mormon, and I suspect they attract Mormon votes the way Kennedys attract the votes of weak, cultural and unthinking Catholics. I have often stated that my main problem with Romney is that he hasn't been Mormon enough in his politics. Real Mormons don't attend NARAL fund-raisers.

We all hate identity politics, but its pull is strong. When I see the conservative Greek deli owner happily vote for Dukakis, I realize that there is something at work that goes beyond rationality, and simply has to be accounted for, as it cannot be undone by mere human argument.

Also, when given an opportunity, Mormons have been willing to clean things up a bit. Utah Sen. Mike Lee is a MAJOR upgrade over Mormon Bob Bennett, and Lee is also as Mormon as they come. If he comes over my house, I will make sure I have some Hawaiian Punch to serve him, and I will not discuss underclothing.

[Tennessee Nana]

Lee is also as Mormon as they come. If he comes over my house, I will make sure I have some Hawaiian Punch to serve him, and I will not discuss underclothing.
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But why ???

His original mormon leader, Joey Smith was a smokeer and heavy alcohol drinker and had a bar in his living room...when he got drunk he beat up other men...

The 2nd leader, Brigham Young drank and threw parties and cheated another Mormon and got himself a monopoly on alcohol production in the Utah Territory and had the largest brewery...He didnt smoke cigars but he encouraged others too...

[reaganaut]

Reid, Mo Udall and successor Udalls, etc. seem to be more culturally Mormon, and I suspect they attract Mormon votes the way Kennedys attract the votes of weak, cultural and unthinking Catholics.

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That is not correct at all, at least not regarding the LDS (Mormons). Reid etc are not ‘cultural mormons’ in the least. Huntsman is much more a cultural Mormon. Reid, Romney, Udall are all active, true believeing Mormons. When I lived in Utah, I knew a lot of TBMs and a lot of cultural LDS and they aren’t cultural (or Jack) Mormons.

Don’t be fooled by the PR the LDS church puts out that they are conservative either, NARAL does have its support even in Utah County, by active (real) LDS. Also, the LDS have a mindset of only trusting other LDS (which has been abused). They will vote for a Mormon over a ‘gentile’ (all non Mormons, even Jews) any day.

See my tagline. I have been there, done that, and know a ‘real’ Mormon from an inactive one.