Posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
You've not said ANYTHING 'unique' to MORMONism!
Why?
And yet; you've never stated what you ARE.
Why?
And yet you want MY folks to call me out for using "SATAN" against things you have said.
And just WHY have you judged the 'old Mormons of the past' to be 'wicked'?
What STANDARD are you using?
bttt
That’s cool.
harity, mercy, chastity, faith in Christ, prayer, family unity, sacrifice, gentleness, kindness, patience, patriotism, service.
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With the exception of prayer and faith in Christ (which doesn’t apply to the LDS because it is a false Christ) all of those are things that Atheists exhibit as well.
But the motivation is key. For the LDS it is all about making ‘the church’ look good, or earning godhood for themselves, not about showing Christ (outside of any church) to the world.
Lets discuss a few things that the LDS claim are ‘good’ about it.
Welfare program - Nope. The church welfare program isn’t charity at all. First you must be ‘worthy’. Then you must work for it, and you must pay tithing on the value of the help. The Biblical examples of charity show none of that.
Haiti (and other outside ‘charity’) - The LDS go around with shirts bragging about what they do, they use these tragedies as PR. Ejonesie22 posted pictures of the LDS ward in Haiti. Did they open up their interior building for shelter? No. They allowed shanties in PART and only part of their parking lot. Did they have food? No, the people had to go elsewhere for food.
Missionary work - the missionaries pay out of their own money to go on a full-time mission. No other full time missions do that.
As rich as the Mormon church is, they would rather build a 3 BILLION DOLLAR MALL than put that 3 Billion to good use.
Patriotism??? - Have you forgotten the temple oath they had against the US? Or the other anti-American things your prophets said?
I can go on but when the motives are not pure, when Christ is not present, then there is NO good from anything that appears to be a ‘good work’.
There is NO good in the LDS church at all. It is a bastion of evil and greed.
“For the LDS it is all about making ‘the church’ look good, or earning godhood for themselves, not about showing Christ (outside of any church) to the world.”
With respect, reaganaut, you have no ability to know the motivation of every Latter-day Saint in the world. Your blanket statement is absurd. You certainly do not know what motivates me, and I can assure you that you have me “figured out” all wrong.
Best regards,
Normandy
I know: CHRIST does.
And apparently MORMONism doesn't, as you never seem to talk about it.
I’ve been there, I’ve seen it firsthand and it was always the same.
Are you working towards getting to the CK and Exaltation? You do know that LDSinc has a whole list of ‘good works’ that are needed.
I’m not even sure you can admit what your motivation really is. I know I couldn’t when I was LDS. Only after the Spirit opened my eyes did I see LDS motives for what they were.
Hindsight is 20/20
A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her home in Salt Lake City. Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.
Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.
"Hi there little girl, I'm President Thomas Monson. What do you have in the basket?" he asked.
"Kittens," little Suzy said.
"How old are they?" asked Monson.
Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."
"And what kind of kittens are they?"
"Mormons," answered Suzy with a smile.
Thompson was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.
Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.
So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from Deseret News, The Ensign magazine and KSL.
Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Thompson got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.
"Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."
"Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're Christians."
Taken by surprise, the Living Prophet® stammered, "But... but... yesterday, you told me they were MORMONS."
Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know. But today, they have their eyes open"
“Yes sir,” Suzy said. “They’re Christians.”
Taken by surprise, the Living Prophet® stammered, “But... but... yesterday, you told me they were MORMONS.”
Little Suzy smiled and said, “I know. But today, they have their eyes open”
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Closer to the truth than you can even imagine. Once your eyes begin to open it happens quickly.
THX 1138
Nothing good in Mormonism placemarker
So you're saying there's "no link between me and a bunch of wicked old Mormons of the past" -- like Joseph Smith? What? Didn't you see in the post you responded to I mentioned Smith? You now concede Joseph Smith is a "wicked old Mormon"? Yes?
I quoted Joseph Smith, and you toss him in with the "wicked old Mormons of the past": "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the DEVIL, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
Did you also notice I included John Taylor? Wasn't Taylor shot in 1844 alongside Joseph Smith in jail? Wasn't John Taylor Smith's "sidekick" as a Smith-appointed "apostle?" And so you concede that the apostles Joseph Smith chose were "wicked old Mormons"? Yes? (Go past to my post where I said: John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense..the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167).
You also note that Mormonism's "jumpstart" is the Book of MORMON. I cited the Book of Mormon, which you have elevated in your life. You now concede that the content of the Book of Mormon was put together by "wicked old Mormons?"
John, here I carefully avoided quoting any UTAH Mormon leaders who BEGAN their Mormon leadership after Smith's death...and here you distance yourself from Joseph Smith, his apostle, and the Book of Mormon?
Well keep up the confessions! They are good for the soul!
bttt
(1) The pretended "revelation" by Joseph Smith Jr was not published until several years after polygamy had already been practised in Utah.
(2) Mormon polygamy became prevalent after the Mormon church followed Brigham Young out of the United States and her domain of laws in which polygamy must not exist.
(3) Mormon missionaries in Britain and Europe did not tell converts about polygamy. When converts migrated to Utah they were shocked to find it practised. Many of the migrants sought to escape, and many of those who did escape joined the RLDS, which was nobly trying to expose polygamy as a gross apostacy from church teachings.
See http://www.angelfire.com/ks/landzastanza/scarlet.html
(4) Mormon leaders did not allow the 1835 statement by church leaders, including Joseph Smith Jr, supporting monogamous marriage to remain in their Doctrine and Covenants, when they added the pretended "revelation" on polygamy.
(5) Joseph Smith III's interview with his mother, the former Emma Smith, was not a case of Emma trying to protect her family, because her RLDS church president son was adamant in insisting that she not do that, that the church, to avoid future embarrassment, must have the truth, even if it is ugly. Fully understanding the concern of her son, she insisted that Joseph Smith Jr had no wife other than herself.
(6) The reference to Emma Smith in the forged "revelation" was consistent with Brigham Young's hatred for her. He was livid that she did not release to him the manuscripts of Joseph Smith Jr.'s revision of the Bible. He was livid that she would not support his attempts at church leadership. So while forging the "revelation", slipping in some wording that has God condemning her for not supporting polygamy, was probably his way of lashing back at her.
The motives of those who wanted to brand Joseph Smith as a polygamist must be critically examined before their statements can be accepted as reliable.
"Wicked old Mormons" was intended to describe Mormons who told lies to justify their sins. Joseph Smith Jr was not a polygamist, nor did he encourage anyone to practise it. Brigham Young forged a document to the contrary, and the undiscerning gleefully latch on to that for reasons that should be also be critically examined.
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