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To: Godzilla
Sadly for your case, the evidence is more than adequate to show smith and others were practicing polygamy from early on - long before Young and Utah.

Your "evidence" is tainted. The two main sources for charges of early polygamy teaching are: (1) polygamists seeking to justify their sins; (2) enemies of the church who were anxious to find anything negative about the church so that they could gleefully trumpet it.

Among the evidence against early polygamy teaching are:

(1) the continued publication of the Book of Mormon with its condemnation of polygamy.

(2) The "law of the church" in the Doctrine and Covenants revelation of February 9, 1831, which states: "Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shall cleave unto her and none else; and he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her, shall deny the faith, and shall not have the Spirit; and if he repents not, he shall be cast out."

(3) Joseph Smith's revision of the Bible in 1833, which made revisions supporting the condemnation of polygamy in the Book of Mormon.

(4) the 1835 statement by church leaders on marriage that was from then on, until Brigham Young had it removed, published in Doctrine and Covenments: "Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife; and one woman but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again."

(5) removals from church membership, during the presidency of Joseph Smith Jr, of persons engaging in adulterous relationships.

(6) the interview of the former Emma Smith by her son Joseph Smith III, before which she understood that the truth no matter how ugly was to be told, and she stated that she knew of no other wife, spiritual or otherwise, of her former husband (after his death, Emma remarried).

267 posted on 07/31/2011 6:25:59 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian
Your "evidence" is tainted.

And your 'evidence' is even more tainted John. Emma had a BIG bone to pick and when her son wasn't selected as the next prophet - she struck out at those who continued leadership. As pointed out before, even founders of RLDS acknowledged smith to be a polygamist. There is also the testimony of those women who were smith's wives and the testimony of his contemporaries - even those who were NOT involved in polygamy.

(1) the continued publication of the Book of Mormon with its condemnation of polygamy.

John, the bom was continued to be produced even AFTER smith and during the open polygamy period. Thus your evidence is invalid.

(2) The "law of the church" in the Doctrine and Covenants revelation of February 9, 1831, which states: "Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shall cleave unto her and none else; and he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her, shall deny the faith, and shall not have the Spirit; and if he repents not, he shall be cast out."

Yes, and this wouldn't be the first time smith out and out lied John. He also lied about the bom, he lied about the Kirkland bank, he lied about his temple rituals, he lied about the wow - so it is not surprising he lied against Church law.

4) the 1835 statement by church leaders on. .

Another documented lie.

(5) removals from church membership, during the presidency of Joseph Smith Jr, of persons engaging in adulterous relationships.

LOL - adulterous indeed - just those who jumped the gun or fell into smith's disfavor.

(6) the interview of the former Emma Smith

As stated before - she lied to protect her children.

But that isn't the whole story is it John. Smith admitted it.

"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259

And if we are to take the bom witnesses seriously, then their testimony about smith's marriage to Fanny Alger should be accepted too - as it was a "a dirty, nasty, filthy affair..." (Cowdrey)

268 posted on 07/31/2011 7:00:34 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: John McDonnell
(6) the interview of the former Emma Smith by her son Joseph Smith III, before which she understood that the truth no matter how ugly was to be told, and she stated that she knew of no other wife, spiritual or otherwise, of her former husband (after his death, Emma remarried).

History has recorded a bit different story than you have related here...

Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

Miss Eliza R. Snow  was one of the first (willing) victims of Joseph in Nauvoo. She used to be much at the prophet’s house he made her one of his celestial brides... . Feeling outraged as a wife and betrayed as a friend, Emma is currently reported as having had recourse to a vulgar broomstick as an instrument of revenge: and the harsh treatment received at Emma’s hands is said to have destroyed Eliza’s hopes of becoming the mother of a prophet’s son (Dr. W. Wyl, Mormon Portraits, 1886, pp.57-58).

The Mormon writer Claire Noall acknowledged: “Willard realized that Emma had refused to believe that any of the young women boarding at the Mansion when it was first used as a hotel had been married to Joseph. She had struck Eliza Snow at the head of the stairs, and Eliza, it was whispered, had lost her unborn child” (Intimate Disciple, a Portrait of Willard Richards, 1957, p.407).

Sometime during February of 1843 Emma evidently became aware that Joseph had taken her best friend, Eliza R. Snow, as a plural wife. Eliza was currently living in the Smith home, which housed a number of boarders. LDS historians Linda Newell and Valeen Avery wrote:

When the full realization of the relationship between her friend Eliza and her husband Joseph came to her, Emma was stunned. . . . Although no contemporary account of the incident between Emma and Eliza remains extant, evidence leads to the conclusion that some sort of physical confrontation occurred between the two women. In 1886 Wilhelm Wyl published the first known version of the incident in his book, Joseph Smith the Prophet: His Family and His Friends:

They say . . . there is scarcely a Mormon unacquainted with the fact that Sister Emma . . . soon found out the little compromise arranged between Joseph and Eliza. Feeling outraged as a wife and betrayed as a friend, Emma is currently reported as having had recourse to a vulgar broomstick as an instrument of revenge; and the harsh treatment received at Emma’s hands is said to have destroyed Eliza’s hopes of becoming the mother of a prophet’s son...

Another story, attributed to LeRoi C. Snow, Eliza’s nephew, is an oral family tradition that tells of Emma knocking Eliza down the stairs with a broom, the fall resulting in a miscarriage for Eliza. . . .

Whether Eliza fell down the stairs or whether Emma pushed her or pulled her down by the hair, or whether Emma only turned her out of the house, the result seems to be documented in Eliza’s terse journal entry for February 11, 1843:

‘Took board and had my lodging removed to the residence of br. [Jonathan] Holmes.’

Eliza did not make another entry in her journal for five weeks and wrote no explanation for either the gap in her diary or her abrupt departure from Emma’s home. . . .

Several acquaintances of Eliza spoke of Emma discovering Eliza’s relationship with Joseph, leading to her departure.

 

The incident between Emma and Eliza forced the issue of plural marriage into the open. Emma could no longer believe that Joseph was not involved, and he could no longer deny it. Emma had not acted with violence before; now her determined opposition might show up again with unexpected force. Joseph resolutely tried to bring Emma around (Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery, 1994, pp. 134-137).



http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no106.htm

 



 
 

272 posted on 07/31/2011 9:01:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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