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Is Dispensationalism a Recent Doctrine? How Do YOU Define 'Recent'?
The Omega Letter ^ | August 11, 2011 | Jack Kinsella

Posted on 08/11/2011 4:48:01 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: Iscool
There's far, far, far too much scripture that you guys have to ignore make these events something of the past...

In other words, you are just going by the authority of your own opinion. When shown Scripture that plainly contradicts your view - you ignore it and move on.

So you list a bunch of passages from Scripture that you truly don't understand and then announce that all of these events "didn't happen". I don't want to sound disrespectful, but it is embarassingly obvious that you have never even tried to see what true Christians have to say on that matter. I have several feet of bookshelf space containing thousands of pages of commentary on these passages. Have you ever in your life looked at a Commentary on the OT from theologians of the past two thousand years other than products of the Dispensational camp?

The point being, is that, like evolutionists, you appear to approach these passages with a terribly flawed template. The evolutionist looks at everything through Uniformitarian eyeglasses - and so they look at the Grand Canyon and think "millions of years". People who love God and trust the Scriptures say "Flood". We can believe the Bible and we place ourselves under its Authority. Furthermore, we also know that water doesn't run uphill, which it would have to do in order to wear down a canyon through erosion. So we can be confident because of faith and reason.

In your template, everything is physical and earthly despite our LORD and the apostles constantly reminding us that the Kingdom is not physical and earthly. The Jews reject the Messiah and the New Testament and thus they don't understand the mystery revealed. Unfortunately, the American Religion has also rejected the Messiah and is looking for an temporal reign in an earthly city by a physical king that can be touched. So naturally, when you allow rabbis to tell you how to read the OT, you will also accept their Christ-hating teachings.

Most of the prophecies of the OT prophets were for the people of their day. Isaac Newton, and many other historians and commentators have given us names, dates and locations of the fulfillment.

This category of prophecies hold at least two practical applications: build the faith of the Jewish people in times of distress by reminding them of God's Sovereignty, and to be the "near" predictions fulfilled to establish their authority to speak for God.

Sadly, you make these prophets "untested" by converting everything to events still yet to come. By asserting that this is all future, you are really saying that God didn't care to assure His People in times of distress, but really all of this is for your own personal mental masturbation - having absolutely no practical value for you since your tribe has made thousands of false and failed predictions based on Nostradamus-like interpretations of the passages. If even these things were to be fulfilled, your eschatology states that you won't be here to even certify it, leaving that to the reprobates Left Behind. IOW, no one will ever know that the prophets spoke for God because there will never be confirmation of their prophecies by the People of God.

Have you ever wondered where the slanderous "replacementarian" label came from? It comes from thousands of years of Christian teaching that the "Israel" that God fights for in these "future" passages is the the children of like faith as Abraham. This is not just Jews who share Abraham's DNA. Unlike the false charges of the John Hagee crowd its not "just Gentiles". Rather, the Israel spoken of by the Prophets is the Church composed of people of all tribes and nations. When you read of the LORD coming to avenge Israel, you might as well read it as the LORD coming to avenge the Church - or the "children of like faith of Abraham".

These aren't necessarily just Future events, the LORD has fought the battles through all ages. Just as the prophets of old spoke to reassure the people that God would smite the oppressive Assyrians, Egyptians and Chaldeans, the prophets through the type of "Israel" as the Church reassure believers of all ages that God hasn't gone away and left them to fend for themselves until some specified date in the distant future.

As a thought experiment, interpret the "armies of this world" with Ephesians 6:12. Interpret "Israel" and "Jerusalem" from Revelation 21:2 as "the bride of Christ" or the Church from Abel to the last person redeemed. Read the "Temple" in light of 1 Peter 2:5 and Ephesians 2:19-21. When viewed in that language, there is encouragement and hope in that the LORD fights our battles today, that the Church will grow and all that our LORD's Purpose will be fulfilled at His return.

When you continue to let blaspheming rabbis tell you that the temple is a physical structure standing in a ancient war-torn city defiled by millions of idolators and haters of God and that somehow God is going to bless those who reject His Son by initiating sword and chariot battles sometime tomorrow, you will never understand God's Plan and likely will never understand the Gospel.

61 posted on 08/18/2011 5:38:08 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: The Theophilus
In your template, everything is physical and earthly despite our LORD and the apostles constantly reminding us that the Kingdom is not physical and earthly.

Not at all...I (we) recognize that the scriptures teach two Kingdoms...One Spiritual, on physical...

So you list a bunch of passages from Scripture that you truly don't understand and then announce that all of these events "didn't happen".

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Sorry bud...Didn't happen (yet)...But it will...

You spent a number of paragraphs telling me how smart you and your group are but where's the scripture to back you up??? If you don't have the scripture, you don't have anything...

When Jesus says he will return and every eye will see him, it couldn't have happened in history...But it can happen now...And it will...

What do you guys do with all those thousands of scriptures that you refuse to accept literally but can't be explained any other way???

If the wedding between the Bride and Bridegroom took place 2000 years ago, how do you explain that you are part of the Bride, the Body of Jesus Christ???

If we are in that 2, 3, or 10 thousand year Mellennium, we are not part of the church...The church is the Bride and the wedding is long gone...

62 posted on 08/18/2011 9:48:09 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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