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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear
Wrong again. Rom. 9:6-8. Compare with Rom. 2:28,29 for the answer to who the true Israel of God IS.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter: whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom. 2:28,29.

A true Jew is not the one who is circumcised in the flesh, neither is true circumcision in the flesh. A true Jew is one that has inward circumcision of the heart and in the spirit and has more than an outward cutting in the flesh and a profession of truth. This does NOT teach that every Christian is a Jew, "true Israel", but to be a true Jew one must be of the seed of Abraham, and have circumcision of the heart, AND be a child of the promise. PROPHECY. Which leads to Rom. 9:6-8.

This is about Israel. Literal Israel. Not the church the body of Christ. It's about the word of promise, PROPHECY, concerning a Nation, Israel. Don't believe me? Read Rom. 9:4. Israel, not the Church.

51 posted on 10/15/2011 5:58:10 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

true Jew = believer = Israel = Church = Body of Christ

Romans 9:6 But it is not as though the word of GOD has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.

this means not all physical Jews are part of Israel, whereas Gentile believers are grafted in to Israel.

answer this:

who are the heirs to the promises made to Abraham, physical Jews or believers in Jesus Christ??


54 posted on 10/15/2011 6:13:08 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: smvoice

this is historical, orthodox Christian doctrine:

Galatians 3:27-29

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ, have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. AND IF YOU ARE CHRIST’S, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS OFFSRING, HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

question - was Israel the offspring of Abraham?


59 posted on 10/15/2011 6:24:38 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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