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To: freejohn
For openers, I don't believe they have the terminology screwed down tight.

“The broadest definition of the universe can be found in De divisione naturae by the medieval philosopher and theologian Johannes Scotus Eriugena, who defined it as simply everything: everything that is created and everything that is not created.” (Wikipedia (for what it's worth)).

Consider that there turned out to be more to the Universe than there was thought to be. What was considered to be the Universe turns out to be one of the Multi-verses within the Universe.

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If the “Uni” in Universe derives from the Latin for One, the word “Universes” is kind of contradictory.

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“IF the multi-verse theory were correct then GOD would HAVE to exist simply because ‘Scientists’ say ALL things MUST take place in ‘Infinite Universes’!”

What I've read that they've said is (more or less) that in order for God to be God everything that could happen has to happen. (I may not have quoted that accurately.)

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“Wouldn't it make sense that if GOD were to exist in even one of these universes then NONE of the rest of those universes could or would exist!?”

No. First, given what I wrote above, those universes aren't really universes, but multi-verses within the universe. I don't see why he can't exist in all the multi-verses within the universe. (I know that's not the way “they” talk about it, but sometimes you have to kind of translate in your own head what people say in order to make sense of them.)

Second, what you wrote can be read to imply that God is dependent on a universe to exist. I don't see that. He exists independently but within the Universe (including its Multi-verses) He created.

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“HOW could such a chaotic universe or in this case Chaotic Universes exist!?”

Granted, you and I are unable to make sense of it, but doesn't mean it's Chaotic. The problem more likely rests with our lack of ability.

55 posted on 10/23/2011 6:02:08 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle
Granted, you and I are unable to make sense of it, but doesn't mean it's Chaotic. The problem more likely rests with our lack of ability.I agree.

We are the ant .. trying our best to figure out ... Whatever! 8)
56 posted on 10/23/2011 6:08:22 PM PDT by freejohn ("Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." --- Mark Twain)
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To: KrisKrinkle

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/download/id/66526/name/CIRCULAR_REASONING_ ~ this is a shot of the fundamental heat patterns at the limit of resolution at the very edge of the Universe. It’s pretty obviously one of a number of scientific flask brackets ~ so...................


57 posted on 10/23/2011 6:10:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KrisKrinkle
For those interested in the latest research into the existence of the Multiverse I would suggest the book “The Hidden Reality: Parallel Universes and the Deep Laws of the Cosmos” by Brian Greene. He doesn't have any opinion on the existence of God but he does explore how a multiverse would be a direct consequence of validating m-theory which is the extension of string theory to higher geometries. There may be experimental observations in the near future that would only be explainable by inference from string theory which would be required to consider it a valid explanation of reality. Since all particles in quantum field theory are the result of virtual particle pairs that randomly arise and pass away in less than Planck time it can fairly be said that nothing actually “exists” in the sense of being an indivisible component of reality. The multiverse is simply information that transitions from state to state according to fundamental algorithms. If you want to call this “God” that's fine. Our understanding of human significance in the cosmos has been a continuous descent from “center of the universe” to “less than detectable random noise”. The only thing that makes us special is that we may be capable of understanding the truth at some point. Any attempt to define what the concept of “God” is can only fail since this is completely ineffable.
61 posted on 10/23/2011 6:38:43 PM PDT by Dave Wright
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