Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
Many times you have written that anyone who "proclaims" their own salvation is wrong or, even, sinful. You say you base this upon what Scripture says regarding the way our lives are lived and upon our obedience or not to the commandments of Jesus. You say you reject someone else's "interpretation" of Scripture when they claim assurance of their salvation. But you still state you DO believe God and what Scripture has to say. I would ask, then, how do you "interpret" the verses that say we CAN know we have eternal life? Such as:
1 John 5:13 may know
John 3:16 believes - when? One time deal? Or the whole way?
John 3:36. Ditto
Acts 15:11 believe
One last question, how different would your life be if you accepted the assurance of your salvation? Would it change anything that you are doing? Would you lose anything that you currently have? What would you lose?
Well, aside from violating what I believe Scripture and the Church says (and jeopardizing my soul), why not ask me why I don't believe in the two gods of the LDS, or the one god of the JWs?
Who is Art Bell?
A UFOlogist and all around loon.
Matthew 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
I'm pretty sure St. Paul would be appalled at his being used to supplant Jesus as the primary origin of the Gospel.
"Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—" - Romans 1:1
No, no, no, NL, Paul did not preach the gospel of Jesus, as we are constantly told, it was “HIS GOSPEL”, which apparently was just one of many.
Believing the words of Jesus was just for old school Jews.
I’m certain you know what garbage I’m talking about, BB. If you don’t go to the moderators page and visit some of the sites listed there.
And, you also know if, as I asked in our last exchange, you looked at the posts of those you objected to my replies to.
If you still don’t know what I’m referring to, then I can’t help you and I doubt anyone else can.
For some (fortunately a small some) if it’s Catholic it must be bad, even if it’s:
“a renewed faith in God, peace in their hearts, and a desire to live the Gospel message...”
"Wine is like life to men, if you drink it in moderation. What is life to a man who is without wine? It has been created to make men glad." (Sirach 31:27)
"Pamper a child, and he will frighten you; play with him, and he will give you grief." Sirach 30:9
"for from garments comes the moth, and from a woman comes woman's wickedness. Better is the wickedness of a man than a woman who does good; and it is a woman who brings shame and disgrace." Sirach 42:14
Divorce if your wife does not obey you-Sirach 25:26
Thank you for your input and for that list at the end whereby Scripture references other Scripture. Got it Favorited.
Septuagint, used by Jews world wide not good enough? Predating the Incarnation of Jesus by 300 years not good enough? Jesus quoting Sirach not good enough? What other wisdom does the master have for us?
The keystone doctrine based on one verse and that verse interpreted into more than it says.
Vermouth is profitable and necessary for the perfect martini, but sola vermouth is not a martini.
Sola scripture, as I've posted before, is just trying to make a virtue out of a necessity, once you leave the Church.
Tremendous analogy. I thank you for it.
Never heard of him. Guess I don’t pay attention to that stuff.
If parts of it contradict other scripture or history I’m not using any of it.
Dutiful sheeple.
When you know where freezes over will I submit to that kind of bondage of my own free will.
I won't even submit to it if forced.
Whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery, especially that imposed by a bunch of power hungry ......men.
One doesn't have to be much of a logician to show that sola scriptura is not proven from this verse.
X is profitable and necessary for the perfect Y;It only takes one example to invalidate the conclusion, but there are almost countless Xs and Ys for which this is conclusion is not true.
therefore:
X (alone) is entirely sufficient for Y
Y=fried chicken; X=grease and flour
Y=living human being; X=blood
Y=Wisdom; X=experience
Y=house; X=foundation
And on and on and on. Likely it's more often not true than true. To say Sola scriptura is proven by this verse defies common sense and simple meaning. Big time.
You know that attitude of submission has to be cultivated for the total control that will ensue during the tribulation period.
Knowing that this is not the first time we have had this discussion, all I can do is present the truth God has revealed in Scripture and pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes and heart to the truth. Take a good hard look at the other passage you posted. Those who Jesus said he NEVER knew and whom he saw as goats, they were NOT people who were unreligious. In fact, they pleaded with Jesus to recognize ALL the mighty works they did for him but he told them, "I never knew you.". Not, "I knew you for a little while but you did bad things, so you're not my friends anymore.", Not, "Sure did appreciate all those things you did but it wasn't enough, you should have done more.". No, he said he NEVER knew them. Why might that be?
When you post the other passage about the sheep and goats, you fail to make a few crucial observances. First, they were ALREADY sheep OR goats. This account was not to determine what kind they were but to pass judgment. Secondly, you failed to place this event in a certain time frame. It cannot be speaking of the Judgment Seat of Christ, which is for believers only. See Romans 14:10 and II Corinthians 5:10. Then there is the Great White Throne Judgment, where all those who come out of the great tribuation are judged, both believers and unbelievers and they are judged in the final judgment and everyone whose name is not found in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire which is called the Second Death. Those "sheep" were the ones who were believers and who helped the "brethren" through the persecution of the Anti-Christ during the Tribulation. But even if you don't accept that there IS a tribulation, it still doesn't show that this judgment was what MADE them sheep or goats. They ALREADY were one or the other.
But ask yourself why John would write in Revelation words that contradict what he wrote in the Gospel According to John as well as his epistles? That is where context really counts. Knowing that the Holy Spirit was who Divinely inspired the Scriptures. And the Bible IS the infallible Word of God, despite what you have been told by those who want to supercede Holy Scripture.
Eternal hell is NOT the reward for bad works. It is the condemnation due ALL who have not received the redemption that is in Christ. We all deserve hell because we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Hell is eternal separation from God and I don't care how "good" someone is or how many "good" works they have done, it can never be enough to pay for even one sin - not even a lie. No one goes to heaven based on their good deeds and no one goes to hell because of their bad deeds. We ALL have bad deeds and without the blood of Christ to pay the penalty of sin, we would ALL be doomed. You say:
We throw ourselves on His mercy, we do not pronounce it. We plead for our salvation, we not claim it. He Judges, we await His Judgement. Otherwise He is not Judge.
That is all we can do is surrender to Him and trust in his mercy and grace and he HAS pronounced it already. He has pronounced salvation through Jesus Christ, the righteousness of Christ that he gives to us as a gift if we only receive it, believe him, trust him and rest on his promises. We don't await the judgment between heaven or hell if we are his own, he takes that out of the equation.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus (Rom. 8:1)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Rom. 5:18)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18)
In Isaiah 10:19 one of the calamities coming upon Assyria was to be reduction of their trees to such a low number a young boy could write down a description of them.
Again in Isaiah 29:12 the words of the book would be as though sealed to the prophets and to others as though they were unlearned or unable to read. Both groups could read but would be hindered from doing so.
And there is David and men like Peter who came from lowly circumstances but were more literate than a large proportion of Americans.
But in none of these case was literacy treated as unusual or as a special skill.
Even in Deut.6:8,9 Israel is commanded to write the law on their door posts and gates. True, it was likely a figurative “writing” but such a command would have little meaning to a largely illiterate population.
So “I expect that literacy in nation of Israel was more common than most of us would think”.
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