Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
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****Leading to the ultimate rebellion against all authority and retreating to the false security of complete self authority.****
Ah, the sin that caused the fall.
The gift from the Father of Lies that keeps on giving.
****I find it very interesting that Catholics consider people Christian or not Christian based on whether they reject the church or not. Christians consider people Christian or not Christian based on whether they reject Christ or not.****
That statement is false.
C’mon Mark, they can’t remember what was posted to them in this thread, much less the historical early church.
Either that or they just ignore both as neither square up with their man made faith.
That anyone could read the NT and not see an organized church with a hierarchy is beyond me.
Pardon?
What I gather from your past posts, is you do not believe the Bible is inerrant nor that it contains literal truths. This, I think, is your loss.
I think that the Bible is infallible Revelation of God written down by fallible men. Until Protestants accept that, they will continue to invent increasing novelties and try to substitute them for Christianity.
Who came first - man or the animals? Proofs from chapter 1 and 2 both, please.
What I gather from your past posts, is you do not believe the Bible is inerrant nor that it contains literal truths. This, I think, is your loss.Here is a truth for you to follow then:
“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “You do go to confession regularly, right?
You mean like the photo of Paris Hilton's fridge with the giant size container of Valtrex?
That's because it doesn't agree with what the image in the mirror said this morning.
Genesis 1 specifically states on which day things were created.
Fish and fowl on the fifth day Genesis 1:20-23. All animals and man on the sixth day, Genesis 1:24-31 with animals first then man.
Genesis 2 has no chronological order given. There can be no “proof” shown from Genesis 2 other than to “prove” that Adam was on the earth for some time before Eve. Adam had already named all the animals before Eve was formed.
Now I have a question of you. Why, according to the RCC, did a perfect God create a total mess as His first act of creation?
Genesis 1 specifically states on which day things were created.
Fish and fowl on the fifth day Genesis 1:20-23. All animals and man on the sixth day, Genesis 1:24-31 with animals first then man.
Genesis 2 has no chronological order given. There can be no “proof” shown from Genesis 2 other than to “prove” that Adam was on the earth for some time before Eve. Adam had already named all the animals before Eve was formed.
Genesis 2: 15The LORD God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and care for it.h 16The LORD God gave the man this order: You are free to eat from any of the trees of the gardeni 17except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die.* j
18The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him.* k 19So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name.
Verse 15 shows that the man was already created. The animals were not created until verse 19. Verse 15 happens prior to verse 19. Even in the topsy turvy world of the Reformation, there must be an understanding of order and precedence.
Now I have a question of you. Why, according to the RCC, did a perfect God create a total mess as His first act of creation?
Since the Church doesn't claim that, I must simply put your question aside.
Genesis 2:15 does not say “then”. There is no indication in Genesis 2 that would denote in what order things happened. That is contained in Genesis 1.
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
>>Since the Church doesn't claim that, I must simply put your question aside.<<
And the earth was “without form and voide”. A total mess.
It is from shortly upthread, from an long excerpt posted to you concerning an excerpt you posted. I'd also posted it before upthread with slightly more of the paragraph, thus.
"A Protestant believes in no infallible authority; he is an authority unto himself, which authority he does not claim to be infallible, if he is sober and sane. He is after truth; and whatever he finds, and wherever he finds it, he subjects it to his own private judgment. He is free to accept or reject, as he pleases. He is not, cannot be, absolutely certain that what he holds is true; he thinks it is. He may discover to-day that yesterday's truths are not truths at all."I really like this author, Stapleton, very grateful to have found him on this thread, thanks to you. The more we see from him, the greater the context, the more impressive his insights, and more good sense is made of the snippets posted to denigrate him or the Church.
As determined by and interpreted according to your authority. That's what you have been doing continuously on this thread: according to your authority.
Again, your reminder: You are a fallible man.
Yeah right. Anyone who hasn’t even backed up what they say with scripture since back on the 3rd of this month shouldn’t be taken too seriously. Lot’s and lots of trash talk but not much substance.
I hope you are not holding your breath
It may play well to the home crowd, but it's a tacit admission of a weak or no real argument.
Even though the men who wrote God's word were sinful and fallible, when they spoke as they were moved along by the Holy Spirit, their every word is God's word and God's word IS infallible. Until Roman Catholics accept THAT, they will continue to invent increasing novelties and try to substitute their own assumed infallibly defined infallibility for God's OWN infallible word.
"For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell thee these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning, but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures." - Cyril of Jerusalem (Catechetical Lectures, 4:17)
Yet again you post the opinion of a fallible man.
Last reminder today. Enjoy!
Glad to be of service. The only thing is, Stapleton was not excerpted to denigrate the Catholic Church but to give an example of the idea that Catholics do indeed have to leave "reason at the door like a lantern". In case you have forgotten, the point was made that in numerous documents issued by the Church such "blind obedience" and relinquishment of personal discovery is expected and those who dare to question their "leaders" are admonished.
Now if you are comfortable with that kind of oversight and control, then by all means stay there, just don't presume anyone is fooled by the silly descriptions of "Protestants" and how they come to the knowledge of the truth. That is as God said it would be, by illumination of the Holy Spirit through the word of God. To state, "A Protestant believes in no infallible authority; he is an authority unto himself", is as false as it is risible. Holy Scripture IS the infallible authority - the ONLY one - that God has given to his own so that we can know truth from error. This ancient truth was known and acknowledged by even your own church "Fathers" so it is a shame that centuries later this true and noble doctrine is mocked and ridiculed as a "new" invention. We are to search the Scriptures to see if things are so, just as the noble Bereans were commended for doing.
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