[Campion]

Oh, BTW: the German belt buckles said "Gott mit Uns" (God with us), and the motto dated from the Prussian army, not only before the Nazi era, but before Germany per se even existed.

Prussia, BTW, was an ardently Lutheran kingdom, not Catholic at all.

[American in Israel]

Thanks, was shooting from the hip. Hip is ok, memory not as good... -grin-

And I am not trying to turn this into a Catholic bashing thread. As it says, ALL have fallen short of the Glory of God. All mens works are as filthy rags before Him.