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To: rzman21

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“When the Church began, there were no New Testament books ...”

Of course there weren’t. In fact, when the Church began there were no Old Testament books either: “Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.” (Genesis 4:26)


2 posted on 11/06/2011 5:07:12 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar
Of course there weren’t. In fact, when the Church began there were no Old Testament books either: “Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.” (Genesis 4:26)

Gen 4:26 has absolutely NOTHING to do with a religious ecclesia. You might be interested to know that “began to call upon” is NOT quite what Christendom doctrine claims it to be. The Hebrew word Christendom translated as ‘began’ is “chalal” pronounced ‘khaw-lal’ and its meaning is “to profane”. The word “name” is ‘shem’ which also means authority, honor. Given the fact that Cain had just killed his brother and he then took 2 wives (1st case of polygamy)and also the fact that YHVH had been speaking with them all along, a proper interp of Gen 4:26 would be

“at this time began men to profane the honor & authority of YHVH”

Thus the reason the next 3 chapters of Genesis describe YHVH’s disappointment in creating man, the continued refusal of man to follow HIS ways and the great flood that destroyed the corruption that was abound. That verse is a prophetic message spoken by Yah'shua

Mt 24:37 “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”

Luke 17:22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, ‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

11 posted on 11/06/2011 10:04:49 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Belteshazzar; rzman21; Cronos
From the article: “When the Church began, there were no New Testament books ...”

Just a slight correction. Peter in 2 Peter said this about Paul's writings:

From Peter's writings we can glean; 1) Paul's writings were well circulated, 2) doctrine, though hard to understand, was established and agreed to, 3) other scripture must have been in existance and used in order for Paul's writings to be compared to it, and 4) Paul's writings must have been considered to the same level of standard as the Old Testament writings.

So while there were no "books" per se, there were the same scriptural writings that we now read. And we have it on the authority of Peter no less.

15 posted on 11/07/2011 3:37:42 AM PST by HarleyD
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