Now The Serpent Was More Subtil...Genesis 3

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[metmom]

Love freely given is not love.

God gave man a free will. It was a risk He took.

Of course HE know the evil and suffering that would result from what was going to transpire, but He did it anyway. He had a reason and He provided a way out for anyone who wishes to accept it and be free. It's available to all and easy to do. No one can blame God for what happens to them because EVERYONE has the solution available to them. If they don't appropriate it, it's THEIR responsibility, not His.

Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

[Jack of all Trades]

Love freely given is not love. ??

Still rolling this one around in my head. Is it possible that you omitted a needed not that makes that sentence make sense?

Wouldn't love not freely given be something more akin to desire?

[presently no screen name]

AMEN!! That would make a great tagline for former catholics. ;)

[mdmathis6]

How so? What in your personal allegorical moral code helps you define what a “chip on the shoulder” is? You have the chip on the shoulder, I just knocked it off.

[presently no screen name]

you could start by getting on your knees and asking Christ to the damn snake you're listening to out of the tree in your back yard

Actually, the snake isn't in my backyard that I'm listening to - you ping me to the computer.

You enjoy twisting when presented with truth, I see. I did not say Adam/Eve was not considered one as they are married - so don't try to imply I did. You are HUNG UP on being BOUND to man and can't handle when someone won't bow to your hang ups. Christians are NOT bound to man - get over it! Stick with your own kind because your are BOUND up WAY TOO TIGHT for Christians who are free 'in Christ'.

[daniel1212]

“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.” (Karl Marx)

“The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain, till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me.” (Karl Marx)

“With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the fact of the world and see the collapse of this pygmy giant. Then will I wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of the world. And giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.” (Karl Marx)

“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.” (attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.” (V.I. Lenin).

[presently no screen name]

Anyone with children knows that the surest way to have them do something dangerous is to tell them not to do it.

Right, we sure wouldn't want them to learn obedience now, would we? Take away the stove controls, put carpeting on tile floors, store everything out of sight, place everything right in front of them that is allowed, pamper pamper our lovely little idiots who are incapable of learning what 'no' means and too unruly to obey. Are you liberal by any chance?

[presently no screen name]

That’s a mighty big chip on your shoulder, partner.

What you consider a chip, others may call it wisdom.

[Jack of all Trades]

How so? What in your personal allegorical moral code helps you define what a “chip on the shoulder” is?

Much frustrating experience with people who when they don't want to discuss a topic generally resort to a mode of questioning down further discussion.

"I know you are but what am I" is really the best reply you can muster?

[presently no screen name]

LOL!!! Thank you for that much needed laugh.

[presently no screen name]

"I know you are but what am I" is really the best reply you can muster?

Well, then would you prefer a reply like this instead...That’s a mighty big chip on your shoulder, partner

[presently no screen name]

We still see him getting the same mileage out of this technique today as there are millions falling for it hook, line, and sinker, as they add extra Biblical teachings to the Word of God.

Don't we see this happening thread after thread, post after post - that's what and where ALL the deception stems from and still they don't get it.

[Jack of all Trades]

You missed the point completely. And you also like to fight rather than engage in discussion. Name calling is rather childish.

It is central to our nature to touch the stove, climb the tree, explore, discover test. This is the way we were created.

I personally let my children learn from their own mistakes (They don’t touch the stove anymore), but that does not include life and death mistakes. For instance, I wouldn’t leave a loaded gun where my six year old could get her hands on it.

[Jack of all Trades]

No, I would have preferred a cogent response to my original conjecture. Hope you feel like you’ve “won”. That’s always the most important thing, isn’t it?

[presently no screen name]

Hope you feel like you’ve “won”.

Actually, it's better than that, I KNOW I won - I have victory 'in Christ'. The war is over - He is Risen and sits at the right Hand of Almighty God.

That’s always the most important thing, isn’t it?

Eternal life? You betcha! Compared to 40,80 or 100 years here - I'd say it's the MOST important thing, yes.

[metmom]

Still rolling this one around in my head. Is it possible that you omitted a needed not that makes that sentence make sense? Wouldn't love not freely given be something more akin to desire?

Yup..... Try again......

Love NOT freely given is not love.

Posting in the morning is not my strong suit......

Anyway, if obedience to God is programmed in, then it's not love.

[metmom]

Great idea. I should use it.

Oh, wait a minute.......

[daniel1212]

What it relates to is what every cult does, which is making themselves as assuredly infallible dispensers of truth, and making something besides Scripture - which was essentially established as Divine by the power of God in effects, conflation and supernatural attestation - as equal to it.

The devil wanted to be equal n authority with God, and effectively presented himself up as the competing supreme authority on truth, and while he used Scripture, he denied what it said with his own “revelation,” and likewise Joseph Smith, with its BOM, and Living Prophet, and likewise Rome exalted herself as the supreme assuredly infallible authority, and made her nebulous, unverifiable, open ended oral Tradition equal to it, out which she channels unScriptural traditions of men.

Of course, since she has infallibly defined herself as assuredly perpetually infallible, when speaking in accordance with her infallibly defined subject and scope-based formula - thus rendering her own declaration of infallibility to be infallible (which is not dependent upon the weight of Scriptural evidence, but while that may be presumed, the guarantee of infallibly does not extend to the arguments or reasoning behind them) - then no one can correct her.

The error of the Pharisees was presuming that formal decent conferred permanent magisterial authority, but in contrast, the authority of the Lord and His apostles was not established by their sanction, but by confirmation of Scripture and supernatural attestation, which the church of the living God evidences by the gospel of grace which effects manifest regeneration, versus institutional religion.

[metmom]

To boot, God created man with a primal urge to test, explore, and discover. Anyone with children knows that the surest way to have them do something dangerous is to tell them not to do it.

Actually, with the Fall, the rebellion is hard wired into us, so while it's true NOW that the best way to get someone to do something is to tell them not to do it, that can't be applied to before the Fall humans, who did not have a rebellious sin nature.

[Scythian]

I have an honest question, please don’t give the standard answers on this about free will and all that.

The bible teaches us that someday there will be no more sin or crying or tears. Why did God allow us to go through all this? I mean, what if God offered us free will, or gave us a choice to have it removed, that is, the desire to sin at all? I think I would have chose the latter. If your mind immediately thought “well that would be no fun then” that is the sin nature talking, fun is basking in the presense of God saying Holy, Holy, Holy, that is what I want. But I hate myself because of sin, I feel dirty, unworthy, and no all about God’s grace that he covers my sin through Jesus’s blood, but still, I feel lost sometimes, it is a misery to exist for me right now. I would have surely chosen to have my ability to choose removed.

Am I alone?