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To: Cvengr

“Daniel’s 70th week is identifiable with the Great Tribulation and descriptions of the 70th week are associated with the Great Tribulation.”

Answer:

Says who? ... Scofield, LaHaye, Hagee?

Your statement above is exactly the flim-flam type ‘associations’ that get us into this Dispensational mess in the first place.

You are wrong. People can see through this stuff very easily.


234 posted on 11/28/2011 5:53:55 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Iggles Phan

Nothing in the passage you quote relates to the Rapture. It isn’t a Rapture passage.

The three verses Daniel 9:25 through 9:27 describe the 70 sevens for purposes described in Dan 9:24.

It is a Great Tribulation Passage directly contrasting the Messiah the Prince, with the prince which is to come which is the opposite of the Messiah the Prince.

It is very clear to any student of Scripture for the past 3000 years or so.

The Rapture passages are all NT passages. The Church Age wasn’t even discussed in the OT other than inference of a time where the Messiah would be cut off. Daniel is entirely focused upon the time of the Gentiles, which is partly why Gabriel is sent to let him understand what times have been carved out for Israel and Jerusalem regarding the Gentile interval/dispensation.

Go back and reread Daniel from scratch. It is very informative.


243 posted on 11/28/2011 7:04:51 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Iggles Phan

Only about 25-33% of Scripture is prophecy and about 14% not yet fulfilled.

Of those who study Scripture about 85% concur with the Rapture and premillennial perspective of eschatology.

The arguments regarding particular doctrines developed later in Church History is an argument from silence, which if allowed, must also recognize the doctrine of imminency, which the early Church all concurred would occur without warning. The post-trib position weakly demands an argument from silence on the doctrine of the Rapture, while ignoring the doctrine of imminency, instead pointing to signs for His return.

Instead of taking my word for it, take His Word. Reread Daniel 9:24. It states what the reasons are for the Great Tribulation.

Most students of eschatology recognize Dan 9:24 breaks these reasons into 6 areas, 3 positive, 3 negative, with a relationship between the positive and negative.

Dan 9:24
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1) To Finish Transgression (finish the rebellion of national Israel)
2) To Make and End of Sins (to lock up sins of Israel,..Gentile nations might continue to sin in the millennium but not Israel)
3) To make Reconciliation(make an atonement and national Israel again accepts her Messiah) for Iniquity
4) Bring in Everlasting(Age of) Righteousness (the Millennial Kingdom)
5) Seal Up Vision and Prophecy (the function of Prophecies will be completed with the reign of the Messiah)
6) Anoint the Most Holy. (anointing of the Millennial Temple)

If all of these things have happened, then we are post millennial. If they haven’t, then we aren’t there yet.

Surely nobody is foolish enough to suggest we are living in an age of righteousness, nobody sins in Israel anymore, Israel accepts her Messiah, and the Millennial Temple has been reconstructed?????


251 posted on 11/28/2011 7:53:47 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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