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To: patlin
Where Paul out right rejected circumcision

Now do read the Bible -- Galatians 5:2-3 2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

and 1 Cor 7:18 18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

Please do read the Bible and realise that your statement Paul were Jewish who followed Messiah in the keeping and teaching of Torah is wrong -- he on the matter of circumcision taught against the Torah.

147 posted on 12/23/2011 12:49:17 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos
Paul is not saying anything new, justification is not by works but it is works that bring the blessing of the covenant. That is the problem with extrapolating(taking out of context) verses and trying to give meaning to them regardless of the contet that the letter was written in. These are letters, they are not books as English tells us they are. One doesn't open a letter and begin reading in towards the end and in small bits in order to understand the context in which the letter was written. The letter to the Galatians was written to the dispersed house of Israel, not to pagan gentiles("goy"). Galatians was written to those who knew they were out of covenant and had been kept from returning due to the 18 Edicts of the house of Shammai who was in control of the temple at that time.

John 11:49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation(Judah), 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad

James(Jacob) 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings

Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles(”goy”) in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens(”ger”= estranged) from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers(”goy”) from the covenants of promise ... 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers(”goy”) and foreigners(”goy”), but fellow citizens(”ger”) with the saints and members of the household of God

Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

Mt 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

John 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, “Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?

1 Peter:1 To the “pilgrims of the Dispersion”(”ger”) in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect(”bachiyr”=chosen like Moses) according to the foreknowledge of God the Father

155 posted on 12/23/2011 1:44:09 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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