[jjotto]

Bizarre, personal version of the history of Judaism!

Both the House of Hillel and Shammai were Talmudists, and both are still cited in discussions.

[patlin]

You shouldn't put words in ones mouth. I didn't say the house of Hillel didn't adhere to parts of the Talmud. As I said, much can be gleamed from the Talmud in order to better know our Messiah and the times he lived in. However, the house of Hillel held that works of the law were not required for conversion nor salvation, while the house of Shammai held that works were required for conversion.

Might I suggest you read the book, Jesus the Pharisee by Rabbi Falk. While I do not agree with his premise that there is something called the Noahide laws, his knowledge and study on the 2 houses as well as the history of the killings of hundreds of the house of Hillel by the orders of house of Shammai is quite eye opening and thought provoking. The is the reason the Essenes fled. They sided with the house of Hillel, thus in order to save their lives they were forced to relocate.

[Cronos]

From what i’ve read of Jewish commentaries on the book of Apocalypse, the book is dismissed entirely. Is that a fair statement?