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To: patlin
No one is perfect, nor can we ever be but we are to seek righteousness and righteousness is following the ways of YHVH, not the ways of man.

And...

Abraham, Isaac & Jacob were far from perfect, but they were faithful in seeking righteousness, therefore they found grace in the eyes of YHVH and from their righteousness, we are blessed.

I am pointing these out because in them *is* Hashem's definition of perfect. Noone can obtain "perfection" as man defines it, because noone can pin it down. What is acceptable in one place is an abomination in another. The goalpost can be raised or relocated, or a reward for "proper" behavior withdrawn or given to another. And people act as if it is Hashem who makes impossible demands.

Hashem's perfect:

Gen 6.9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect* in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Gen 17.1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect*.

*tamim - complete, whole, entire, sound

1 Kings 11.4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect* with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.

Isa 38.2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD, 3 And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect* heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

*shalem - complete, safe, peaceful, perfect, whole, full, at peace

Acts 13.21 And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years. 22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

Luke 5.22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? 23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? 24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. 25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.

John 5.5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? 7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. 8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

60 posted on 12/23/2011 3:29:18 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

” Noone can obtain “perfection” as man defines it, because noone can pin it down. What is acceptable in one place is an abomination in another. The goalpost can be raised or relocated, or a reward for “proper” behavior withdrawn or given to another. And people act as if it is Hashem who makes impossible demands.” thank you for that


67 posted on 12/23/2011 4:45:46 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Ezekiel
What is acceptable in one place is an abomination in another

It is not “what is acceptable” in any place, it is all about “what is acceptable in the eyes of YHVH”. It is those that cling to the instructions of YHVH that hasatan always comes after. YHVH tells us to neither turn to the left or to the right, but to keep our steps going straight towards him. Thus the inference that any given society in a any particular place has anything to do with the equation is superficial and not of our Creator.

1Ma 2:50 Wherefore O my sonnes, be ye feruent in the lawe, and ieoparde your liues for the testament of the fathers.
1Ma 2:51 Call to remembraunce what actes our fathers dyd in their time, so shall ye receaue great honour and an euerlasting name.
1Ma 2:52 Remember Abraham: was not he founde faythful in temptation, & it was reckened vnto him for righteousnesse?
1Ma 2:53 Ioseph in time of his trouble kept the commaundement, & was made a Lorde of Egypt.
1Ma 2:54 Phinehes our father was so feruent for the honour of God, that he obtayned the couenaunt of an euerlasting priesthood.
1Ma 2:55 Iosuah for fufilling the word of God, was made the captayne of Israel.
1Ma 2:56 Caleb bare recorde before the congregation, and receaued an heritage.
1Ma 2:57 Dauid also in his mercifull kindnesse, obtayned the throne of an euerlasting kingdome.
1Ma 2:58 Elias being ielous and feruent in the law, was taken vp into heauen.
1Ma 2:59 Ananias, Azarias, and Misael remayned stedfast in faith, and were deliuered out of the fire.
1Ma 2:60 In like maner Daniel beyng vngiltie, was saued from the mouth of the lions.
1Ma 2:61 And thus ye may consider throughout all ages sence the worlde began, that whosouer put their trust in God, were not ouercome.
1Ma 2:62 Feare not ye then the wordes of an vngodly man, for his glorie is but doung and wormes:
1Ma 2:63 To day is he set vp, and to morowe is he gone: for he is turned into earth, and his memoriall is come to naught.
1Ma 2:64 Wherefore O my sonnes, take good heartes vnto you, and quyte your selues like men in the lawe: for if ye do the thinges that are commaunded you in the lawe of the Lorde your God, ye shall obtayne great honour therin.

140 posted on 12/23/2011 11:56:54 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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