Posted on 12/26/2011 6:08:22 PM PST by rzman21
re: “There you go again... Immediately judging me wrong based upon your singular version of the parable.”
How do you know my version singular version is incorrect?
re: “You must have limited you interpretation to proving what was wrong rather than looking at the bigger picture and understanding what was correct. You will not find God in the anti-God search.”
And, how do you know that is correct?
You have done an excellent job at telling me what others think. What do you think?
I doubt you ever noticed it but Protestant missionaries end up being organized pretty much like the Catholic Church. Back home the people supporting those missionaries would never tolerate such an organizational structure.
One day I was just sitting there staring at the Sun catching rays and it dawned on me "Wow, it just dawned on me that the RCs are still a bunch of missionaries, so when are they going to cut loose the Catholic laity to be real members of a real church"?
Amazing what watching the Sun will do to your thinking ~ later on I found that was NOT an original thought. Many monks in earlier centuries had that thought as well ~ used to be the dominant structure behind Christianity in fact.
Alexander Campbell had such thoughts as he and his companions struggled to develop the basis for re-creating the Primitive Church (they did a Second century rather than a First century thing BTw).
So, when will the laity be brought back to full communion with the passing of the cup?
Not to get ahead of myself.
**God the Son has always existed**
The phrase “God the Son” is not found in the scripture. The phrase “the Son of God” IS found in the scripture. The Son made mention that he came from the Father; and that he is in the Father and the Father is in him. The Father is omnipresent, so this is no problemo.
Individuals do not control the official beliefs of the Church.
They may “believe” whatever they like, but they are wrong and they have no say over what a Catholic Christian is to believe.
Also, if they convince others of their heresies, they are responsible for that person’s soul if it is lost due to those heretical beliefs.
Yes, there are many in the Church who are not in communion with the official Church, but that has nothing to do with the unity of the Church and her doctrines, it has more to do with the influence of non Catholics and the pride of people who think they know better.
“”Buddhist believe Buddha was created when a heavenly elephant impregnated his mother.
Buddhism and Christianity are not compatible.””
Funny, Buddhist say the same thing about those Christians who must be cannibals as Jesus tells them to drink his blood and eat his flesh.
We must understand beyond the superficial literal interpretation when we are dealing with parables.
The Arians are killing the church and you take aim at reformation disputes?
shesh brother, get a life.
Yes, you answered the question I asked rzman21. He has yet to answer.
In reply, I am glad to see that you answered as you did.
To your two questions: First, yes, of course, Christ commanded His church to teach in Matthew 28 (and other places). But self-evidently He didn’t command His church to teach contrary to God’s written word, either of the Old or New Testament. As Jesus pointed out to Pharisee, Sadducee, priest, elder, and scribe alike in regard to the Old Testament, they were not free to interpret the Scriptures contrary to their plain, God-intended sense. That surely holds true for the New Testament church and the New Testament Scriptures. Or do you assert otherwise? Second, yes, of course, the church is teaching in Acts 8 (as again in many, many other places). Yet, again, not at variance with the written word, but in harmony with it. Of do you assert otherwise?
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
v. 14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
re: “You have done an excellent job at telling me what others think. What do you think?”
And what does it matter what I think? Aren’t I only one of the blind guys who can’t see the whole picture?
How would anything I have to say mean anything that applies to you? - Yet, on the other hand, aren’t we all saying the same thing anyway??
This particular line of reasoning and interrogative represents the craftiness and unholiness represented by many RCC advocates. It is a line of reasoning which strikes a sour note in the heart of every believer in fellowship with God.
The same line of reasoning was used in the garden with Eve, tempting her to question the Word of God.
Attempting to cast aspersions on Scripture and the Word of God does nothing to edify the believer nor promote evangelism of the non-believer.
It attempts to substitute an alternate line of reasoning for the Word of God in some cases by adding something or somebody to what God provides for the believer.
All of us are corrupt from original sin and don't initially have the truth in us, but do have it provided for us by Him. He communicates that to believers by God the Holy Spirit. The written Word is also available today, which makes us much more equipped than any other time in human history with something veritable, by which He may use our thinking of His Word in His processes to further sanctify us.
Our biggest weakness is not knowing how to think, in a process only He can correct in us when we remain humble to Him so He can perform His work in us.
So His Word is the one thing that is veritable, true, immutable, that in which we can and shall place our trust within. It is by His Word that all things consist and are held together.
Any doubt cast upon His Word is not from the Father, nor the Spirit, nor from Him.
When a group claims to represent God, but casts doubt upon His Word, they simply manifest they neither represent God, nor are in fellowship with Him.
There have been many outstanding doctrines expressed by the past members associated with the Catholic Church, but also many birds have infiltrated that denomination attempting to hinder other believers and non-believers alike.
Any doctrine attempting to cast dispersions on the Apostles and the Bible, and the Word of God, simply becomes a doctrine of demons. It also is why so many believers lose acceptance of those supporting RCC doctrines who fail to glorify the Word of God, in an attempt to redirect worship towards themselves or anything but the Word.
Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies, and it is rooted in Protestantism’s principle of Sola Scriptura and private interpretation.
This neo-Arianism similarly is rooted in Sola Scriptura.
“And, how do you know that is correct?”
I may be wrong. I have found this to be the case many times in my search. What is true at one level of understanding is untrue at the next level. Even death is a learning experience. I’ve been there and back, it expanded my perspective of life. It truly is a commencement, not an end.
All I can do is continue on the journey. The more I learn, the more I realize there is far more to learn. I will never cease to be amazed and humbled at the complexities and power of God.
I’m just a simple soul on a journey. Close your eyes and go within, meet me there for further discussion... It’s my bed time... I’m up at 3 am and it arrives quickly.
Actually, the second person of the Trinity is eternal, Jesus, the Word Incarnate did not exist until conceived in the womb of Mary through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Frankly, I want to know why every time an article like this appears they act as if Martin Luther is the founder and defender of the Protestant faith.
>>Luther’s ideas set the precedent for all of his successors who went far beyond him.
No doubt. There are many good Protestants, and I know a lot of them personally. But Protestantism’s ideas are responsible for the state of faith in the West today.
And I’m not letting the Scholastics off the hook either.
This very thread is dedicated by RCC advocates to challenge the acceptance of Scripture and the work of God the Holy Spirit in the believer.
They can read Scripture in Latin all they want, but to then criticize other believers for having faith in the Word of God by studying Scripture is absurd and at least lacks faith in what God the Holy Spirit can perform in any believer in faith with Him.
Ah Yes, semantics!
I feel that if we sat down and discussed this, yes we are both saying the same thing. Just different words.
I do value your opinions. They are very thought provoking which is what this is all about. The pathway to knowing and experiencing God is both scientific and logical. If anyone tries to convince you otherwise, be cautious. Be a skeptic and always question. The truth will withstand the test of all the questions.
A miracle is merely science that we currently do not understand.
Blessings to you on your journey.
Reason #22 not to believe in Sola Scriptura:
Jehovahs Witnesses
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