From http://theresurgence.com/2010/07/28/the-judaizers-know-your-heretics
Posted on 12/26/2011 6:08:22 PM PST by rzman21
LOL! He takes that as high praise :D
You haven’t proven anything here. Oh ye of little knowledge.
The Church of Rome was founded in 66 A.D. by Sts. Peter and Paul.
Read Eusebius of Caesaria’s Ecclesiastical History, which chronicles the successions of bishops in the See of Rome from the time of St. Peter until the 4th century.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250103.htm
Kool-Aid indeed.
The Epistle of St. Clement to the Corinthians was written in 96 A.D. by the Bishop of Rome! Few ideas are sillier than that of the Church of Rome having been founded by St. Constantine who by then was NOT a pagan.
“The church of God which sojourns at Rome to the church of God which sojourns at Corinth ... But if any disobey the words spoken by him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger.”
Clement of Rome,Pope,1st Epistle to the Corinthians,1,59:1 (c.A.D. 96),in GILES,1-2
“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Mast High God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is sanctified and enlightened by the will of God, who farmed all things that are according to the faith and love of Jesus Christ, our God and Saviour; the Church which presides in the place of the region of the Romans, and which is worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of credit, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love...”
Ignatius of Antioch,Epistle to the Romans, Prologue (A.D. 110), in ANF,I:73
“There is extant also another epistle written by Dionysius to the Romans, and addressed to Soter, who was bishop at that time. We cannot do better than to subjoin some passages from this epistle, in which he commends the practice of the Romans which has been retained down to the persecution in our own days. His words are as follows: For from the beginning it has been your practice to do good to all the brethren in various ways, and to send contributions to many churches in every city. Thus relieving the want of the needy, and making provision for the brethren in the mines by the gifts which you have sent from the beginning, you Romans keep up the hereditary customs of the Romans, which your blessed bishop Soter has not only maintained, but also added to, furnishing an abundance of supplies to the saints, and encouraging the brethren from abroad with blessed words, as a loving father his children.’ In this same epistle he makes mention also of Clement’s epistle to the Corinthians, showing that it had been the custom from the beginning to read it in the church. His words are as follows: To-day we have passed the Lord’s holy day, in which we have read your epistle. From it, whenever we read it, we shall always be able to draw advice, as also from the former epistle, which was written to us through Clement.’ The same writer also speaks as follows concerning his own epistles, alleging that they had been mutilated: As the brethren desired me to write epistles, I wrote. And these epistles the apostles of the devil have filled with tares, cutting out some things and adding others. For them a woe is reserved. It is, therefore, not to be wondered at if some have attempted to adulterate the Lord’s writings also, since they have formed designs even against writings which are of less accounts.’ “
Dionysius of Corinth,To Pope Soter(A.D. 171),Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History,4:23,in NPNF2:1:200-202
“Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.”
Irenaeus,Against Heresies,3:3:2 (A.D. 180),in ANF,I:1415-416
“A question of no small importance arose at that time. For the parishes of all Asia, as from an older tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon, on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should be observed as the feast of the Saviour’s passover. It was therefore necessary to end their fast on that day, whatever day of the week it should happen to be. But it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this time, as they observed the practice which, from apostolic tradition, has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the resurrection of our Saviour...Thereupon Victor, who presided over the church at Rome, immediately attempted to cut off from the common unity the parishes of all Asia, with the churches that agreed with them, as heterodox; and he wrote letters and declared all the brethren there wholly excommunicate.But this did not please all the bishops. And they besought him to consider the things of peace, and of neighborly unity and love. Words of theirs are extant, sharply rebuking Victor. Among them was Irenaeus, who, sending letters in the name of the brethren in Gaul over whom he presided, maintained that the mystery of the resurrection of the Lord should be observed only on the Lord’s day. He fittingly admonishes Victor that he should not cut off whole churches of God which observed the tradition of an ancient custom ...”
Pope Victor & Easter(c.A.D. 195),Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History 5:23,24,in NPNF2,I:241-243
“And he says to him again after the resurrection, ‘Feed my sheep.’ It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church’s) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided.”
Cyprian,The Unity of the Church,4-5 (Primacy Text,A.D. 251/256),NE,228-229
“After such things as these, moreover, they still dare—a false bishop having been appointed for them by, heretics—to set sail and to bear letters from schismatic and profane persons to the throne of Peter, and to the chief church whence priestly unity takes its source; and not to consider that these were the Romans whose faith was praised in the preaching of the apostle, to whom faithlessness could have no access.”
Cyprian,To Cornelius,Epistle 54/59:14(A.D. 252),in ANF,V:344
I was actually referring to RZ being complimented by an ardent antiChristian by comparing him to the high standards set by Petronski.
I miss Petronski; now that JA has gone, even more. I trust that he knows about her?
If Nicea is actually correct, then a whole bunch of antiCatholics are wrong. We’re facing their desperation to somehow justify their own chosen paths when faced with the Truth of Jesus Christ and the pillar and ground of the Church.
Iscool said last night that he is pro-Nestorius, so what’s wrong with anti-Catholic bigotry leading them to reject the First Council of Nicaea as well? (sarcasm)
He evidently believes that there are two Jesuses. A human Jesus and a divine Jesus.
Scripture refers to believers as saints ... they (we) are not beatified to be so.
Scripture bids ALL who are weary to come (go to) Jesus and He (Jesus) will give them (us) rest.
Scripture commands the individual to Ask, Seek and Knock, with no more leading than desire to do so.
Apostolic succession infers a hierarchy never meant by Jesus to be an element of church.
Church is the called out from the world, repentent sinners body of believers ... nothing more.
Apostolic succession infers a hierarchy never meant by Jesus to be an element of church.
>>Where does it say that in scripture?
Aren’t you interpeting the Bible in the light of post-Enlightenment egalitarianism?
The historical record disagrees.
Apostolic succession negates the free for all salvation by Grace through faith concept.
>>How so? How does the idea that Jesus established a visible hierarchical Church when he called his apostles negate this?
Is schism a good thing or a bad thing?
Some words of Wisdom from Nicea:
To the Church of Alexandria, by the grace of God, holy and great; and to our well-beloved brethren, the orthodox clergy and laity throughout Egypt, and Pentapolis, and Lybia, and every nation under heaven, the holy and great synod, the bishops assembled at Nicea, wish health in the Lord .
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We further proclaim to you the good news of the agreement concerning the holy Easter, that this particular also has through your prayers been rightly settled; so that all our brethren in the East who formerly followed the custom of the Jews are henceforth to celebrate the said most sacred feast of Easter at the same time with the Romans and yourselves and all those who have observed Easter from the beginning.
Wherefore, rejoicing in these wholesome results, and in our common peace and harmony, and in the cutting off of every heresy, receive with the greater honour and with increased love, our colleague your Bishop Alexander, who has gladdened us by his presence, and who at so great an age has undergone so great fatigue that peace might be established among you and all of us. Pray also for us all, that the things which have been deemed advisable may stand fast; for they have been done, as we believe, to the well-pleasing of Almighty God and of his only Begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Ghost, to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
And they think that everything was an invention of the Roman Catholic Church, although I have heard words of revulsion against anything in Africa by some of our opponents. Now, do suppose that that is religious bigotry, ethnic bigotry, racial bigorty, or a mix of them all?
Peter was sent to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Everything else you cited are unverifiable Most see them a forgeries. Have a wonderful journey. Peter was never in Rome !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
He went where he was instructed to go: Babylon.
single sources within the Corporation.
Babylon was a metaphor for Rome. I don’t know where you get your information.
Most see them a forgeries.
>>You must really have an ax to grind. A lot of people would say the same thing about the Bible.
Bigotry is Bigotry.
It's no metaphor, They in Babylon, were those who did not return from exile. I get my information from the Holy WORD of G-d ! Peter was never in Rome ! LOL !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
it was the largest population of Jews outside of Jerusalem.
Yah'shua sent him to Babylon.
Tell me another story. And that’s why St. Peter’s tomb is in Rome.
I get my information from the Holy WORD of G-d !
>>You can read it, but you sure don’t know it.
>>You must really have an ax to grind. A lot of people would say the same thing about the Bible.
The Roman "church" rejects and impugns the Holy WORD The Roman "church" burned any writings which did not support
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
the syncretism and forged many document to support it as well.
of G-d with tradition
e.g. Christmas , Easter, Sunday worship, pagan priesthood and cannibalism.
From an Evangelical source:
What is really going on in the world? The simple answer: The dragon (with many aliases), having sensed his imminent demise, is now on an all-out war against God and God’s people, having incarnated himself in a terrifying and destructive beast (for John’s first readers, a transparent symbol for the Roman imperial regime and military structure), which in turn is propping up the arrogant, lavish, idolatrous, and oppressive city Babylon (a transparent reference to Rome),1 which has seduced all nations into its orbit of greed, whose consumptive lifestyle is the engine of the global economy, and whose wealth is based on inequitable trade relationships (chaps. 12-13, 17-18).
http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?1288
Seek YHvH in His WORD not in man-made tradition ! As well as the tooth fairy ! LOL LOL !!!!
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
From http://theresurgence.com/2010/07/28/the-judaizers-know-your-heretics
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