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To: SkyDancer; DennisR
Not siding with the Catholic church but the translation of the word “father” as in “call no man father” actually means “call no man creator (father of creation).

Actually, the word in the Greek is pater - father.

http://biblos.com/matthew/23-9.htm

pater

http://concordances.org/greek/3962.htm

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: patér
Short Definition: father, Father, ancestor
Definition: father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior.

3962 patḗr – father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness.

Considering the claims made of Catholic priests, I submit that the instruction from Jesus is still valid.

Another reason is that in context, He was talking about titles given to religious leaders. He specifically prohibits calling religious leaders by the title *father* and He gives the reason.

Matthew 23:1-12 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.

8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

It would make no sense for Jesus to prohibit calling other men *creator* as that would be self-evident that they are not.

179 posted on 01/02/2012 5:55:54 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
And you are correct, the word for 'father' the Greek translated from Hebrew is 1st found in Gen 4:20 And AdahH5711 bareH3205 (H853) Jabal:H2989 heH1931 wasH1961 the father H1 of such as dwellH3427 in tents,H168 and of such as have cattle.H4735

LXX related word(s)
H1 av


אב
'âb
awb
A primitive word; father in a literal and immediate, or figurative and remote application: - chief, (fore-) father ([-less]), X patrimony, principal. Compare names in “Abi-”

205 posted on 01/02/2012 7:01:35 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: metmom
Continuing on, later towards the end of Torah, “Moses”, we find [H1 - ab] again...

Deu 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
Deu 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of YHVH: ascribe ye greatness unto Elohiym.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: Elohiym of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deu 32:5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

Deu 32:6 Do ye thusH2063 requiteH1580 YHVH,H3068 O foolishH5036 peopleH5971 and unwise?H3808 H2450 is notH3808 heH1931 thy father H1 that hath boughtH7069 thee? hath heH1931 not madeH6213 thee, and establishedH3559 thee?

H1 - ab = Abba = f(F)ather, the patriarch of the family. Abba, the patriarch of His Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.

214 posted on 01/02/2012 7:22:09 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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