Posted on 01/05/2012 2:42:03 PM PST by colorcountry
The BOM truly IS different from the Bible. One of them is a lie straight form the pit of hell.
Living in the southwest, I have talked to walls, and I have talked to Mormons. There is no difference.
He had been raised in an Israeli kibbutz prior to WW II. I don't know the details of how he ended up in the Air Corps in WW II. I knew him when he was on the Ohio State faculty.
How very sad. The mission field is great in Utah, many more will be broken before it is opened to the Word of God.
Being fired for Beer and Bibles - wow how narrow minded and legalistic can people be. Really, sponsor an event then fire a person for participating in that even.
I wish him well. I spent 7 years in northern Utah (student and part-time biologist). Loved the area & loved the people, but it can be a demanding mission field.
One key is to remember it does no good to tear down Mormonism by itself. If you proclaim Jesus Christ, and your church lives the truth of the Gospel, that is far more powerful than just attacking Mormonism.
When attempting to proselytize non-believers, I have to remember the scripture about shaking the dust off your feet. You don’t keep pounding on the same people over and over. You present the message, they accept or reject, and you move on to the next.
I’m Baptist, but we’d win more to Christ if we didn’t act like Muslims at times. It is possible to share the Gospel over a beer. I wish more folks realized that.
Totally agree. Legalism is a killer.
My sister is forever saying there would be more Christian if it weren’t for Christians. She may be right.
I believe I am kept safe from Mormon missionaries by my mezzuzah.
They see it on my door frame and flee.
Have done that before and it is the best witnessing I have ever done. People shut themselves out to someone, who by virtue of the nature of the conversation, seem to hold themselves up to be morally superior. I know that is not the intent, but is easy for someone you are witnessing to to get that impression. When you have a beer with them, you are just like them and you are seen as less pretentious. I know alcohol abuse can be a terrible thing, but we evangelicals somehow got our wagons hitched a little too tightly to the prohibition movement, and it is a very real obstacle to winning souls to Christ.
this church is still here in Utah - and there are several newer Christian churches in this area that are drawing in both ex-Mormons and soon-to-be ex-Mormons. I know several families personally that have left Mormonism. It is much more a situation of making a Christian church available and letting those with a spiritual hunger stop by and see the alternative.
Joseph Smith drank beer and wine (and expressly not for sacramental purposes according to the LDS History of the Church).*
Section 89 of the LDS Doctrine & Covenants (generally called the Words of Wisdom and 'revealed' in 1833) discourages the consumption of wine (excluding sacramental wine) or "strong drinks." As interpreted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this means alcoholic beverages are forbidden, including beer.
To this non-LDS, firing him for drinking a beer seems a step beyond a 1970s Southern Baptist church looking down on a man with long hair, while the stereotypical painting of Jesus with flowing locks hung on the sanctuary wall.
*Beer: Millennial Star, vol. 23, no. 45 p. 720 (9 November 1861) (there was previously a .pdf of this volume in the Brigham Young Digital Collections here, but it's been moved or deleted)
Wine: ("Called at the office and drank a glass of wine with Sister Jenetta Richards, made by her mother in England . . ." ~ Note of Joseph Smith); History of the Church (June 27, 1844), vol. 6, p. 616; ("Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle, and presented a glass to Joseph, who tasted, as also Brother Taylor and the doctor . . . "); History of the Church (June 27, 1844, vol. 7, p. 101 ("Sometime after dinner we [John Taylor and other prisoners at Carthage Jail] sent for some wine. It has been reported by some that this was taken as a sacrament. It was no such thing; our spirits were generally dull and heavy, and it was sent for to revive us[.]. I believe we all drank of the wine, and gave some to one or two of the prison guards."
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Why, oh why, oh why, oh,
Why did I ever leave Ohio?
Obviously the Pastor didn’t fit in with the rest of the rabid psuedo-Christian anti-mormons in Utah as stated below:
During a gathering of Mormons in Salt Lake City, for their 181st Annual General Conference in April this year, Hill also countered an antagonistic Christian group that regularly pickets the event .... “Jesus didnt scream and hold signs at the Samaritan well,” Hill said in a statement. “We are called to love each other.”
If Mormons are non Christian, than why do they act so Christlike .... and if rabid Anti-Mormons are right ... then why do they act so un-christian?
Ministry to Mormons is a difficult one, more difficult than others in some ways and less difficult in others (you are in Utah not the jungles of Africa).
Most days it is like beating your head against a brick wall but when you get through to one of them, the days, weeks, months, or even years of frustration just disappear.
There are two parts to reaching the LDS. First extracting them from Mormonism and then you can love them to the Lord.
So very true.
Constantly being pounded over the head about what was wrong with Mormonism is what got me to really look at, to try to prove the ‘antis’ wrong. That is what got me out.
Those who thought they could just ‘love me to the Lord’ and not challenge my Mormonism or those who didn’t bother, I may have liked but I didn’t respect and they never would have reached me. Many other ex-mo’s say the same thing.
First you have to get them to see something is wrong with Mormonism, then you can tell them what is RIGHT about Christ.
I worked as a bartender for awhile. I had more opportunities to witness as a bartender than I had with any other job.
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