Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
See post 305,I showed yiou screwing up so all the world can see, are you man enough to admit your error?
The human body, which was Jesus, fully God and fully human, was raised from the dead and ascended back to His Father in heaven.
That which Mary gave Him was raised up and glorified.
These heretical beliefs that protestants have are barriers to understanding the Gospel and believing it.
So are you saying that Jesus human body existed throughout eternity?
Paul also said to hold fast to the traditions you were taught. Now please be intelligent/honest enough to admit that the "scriptures Paul was talking about was the OT since the canon of the NT had not been ordered by the Catholic Church, and wouldn't be until the late 300's.Facts are pesky things and they keep jumping up and biting you.
For the record, for others’ education and edification (if not yours):
In prayers like what you have cited here, it’s always understood, if not explicitly stated in such prayers, such holy and glorious attributes of Mary are the direst result of God.
For example, in the very prayer you have cited here, we find the phrase, “ ...we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you...”
Thus, in praising and glorifying these attributes of Mary, one is actually praising and glorifying He who gave them to her: God.
In virtually every prayer any critic of Catholiism has ever produced that praises attributes of Mary, similar phrases as quoted above can be found, thus setting the correct context for such praise. It’s such a common occurance, that it can be reasonably said, again, that it’s always understood that such glorious attributes come directly from God, and thus, praising such is praising God.
Again, for the record. I don’t know if you care for the truth, as I can’t read minds, but if not for your edification and education, then for others.
Even when you show him the post he made his error, he denies it. Typical prot.
I want you to look very carefully at what you wrote, actually wrote and not what you think you wrote.
He was still saying to search the “written word” rather then rely on the spoken word. Facts are pesky things indeed.
Okay lets go through this, what exactly did Mary give Jesus Christ?
She did not give Him his human spirit that was given to Him by the Father.
She did not give Him his divine spirit that always existed.
She did not raise Him from the dead. The Father did that.
She did not give Him His glorified body. The Father did that.
Everything Mary did was left in the tomb.
It may be a shock. I realize if you are raised in a culture where it is considered good to bow down and worship idols that it is difficult to confront such a deep heresy, but it is a heresy. The cult of Mary has come up with all kinds of nonsensical roles and powers she is supposed to possess. None of it is true.
The Bible is very clear. Mary was a good woman who did God's will in giving birth to Jesus. Mary had nothing to do with Jesus's ministry. Mary did not give Jesus anything that survived the tomb. Mary has no special powers or influence.
There is only one way to salvation and that is through Jesus Christ. You alone are to go to Him not some surrogate.
why would God have used a stained vessel to bear His son??
1 Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." -Mark 7:6-9
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
You might want to check Scripture and see. The glorified body Jesus rose from the dead with is a transformed human body. It is no longer a human body.
That which Mary gave Him was raised up and glorified.
No it wasn't. Mary gave Jesus a human body. A human body can not walk through walls. A human body can not appear and disappear.
The problem for RC's is the cult of Mary has so pervaded their church and it's culture they don't see how heretical their beliefs have become.
I said that Jesus received his divinity at conception. Was “the Word” known as Jesus prior to His conception? When was He first known as “Emanuel”?
Oh, that you were correct, verga. But alas. The Scripture you speak of is 2 Tim. 1:13. This Epistle is the last Epistle from Paul, as he says he is “Now ready to be offered.” 4:6. THis would be around 67 AD. Which means the Church had ALL of Paul’s writings when this arrived. His writings were complete. Peter calls Paul’s writings Scripture in 2 Pet. 3:16. SO, ALL of Paul’s writings were no longer traditions the believers were taught. They were WRITTEN Scriptures. As a matter of fact, anything written before Paul’s martyr were not merely “oral tradition” passed along. The scriptures Paul was talking about were not only the OT but HIS own writings. As confirmed by Peter.
Amen Brother.
I think we are seeing how deep this heresy of Maryolatory goes. RC's are desperate to ascribe some little bit of special power to Mary so they can justify their heretical beliefs.
“show in the Bible where Mary or any of the saints can be prayed to ... Crickets, etc.”
In Luke Chapter 9 Verse 28 Jesus himself prays to Moses and Elijah (saints) for them to join him and they do on the mountaintop.
In Luke 16, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man prays directly to Abraham (saint) to help him out of his torment.
The dead who are “in Christ” (the saints) are not dead and therefore can be communicated/prayed with/to as if they are alive, because they Are alive.
The problem for RC’s is the cult of Mary has so pervaded their church and it’s culture they don’t see how heretical their beliefs have become.
>>Being called heretical by a heretic is a double negative.
Is the cake perfect and thoroughly furnished to become a cake with just the flour? "
Nope even though flour is profitable or useful for a perfect cake.
Is the doctrine, etc. perfect and thoroughly furnished with just scripture?
Nope, for the same reason. There's just no way to make profitable or useful mean "all that's needed" or "entirely sufficient."
Nope. Just whatever you got from your father.
You seemed to be trying to say Mary is not the mother of God because she didn't provide all at conception. I was wondering if you split yourself the same way.
So the question was whether you would say your mother is only the mother of your mother parts and not the mother of your daddy parts?
If your mother is only mother of part of you, then your logic would work for Mary only being the mother of part of Jesus.
So...?
God had no beginning and He has no end. God created Mary. Mary cannot be the mother of God. Mary however is the mother of the human Jesus, in the sense that she was used as a vessel for his birth.
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