Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
The expert is the Holy Spirit who inspired scripture. In Romans it is clear what God says about making images of Him.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
It also tells us what the consequences of doing so will be.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts,
You can either believe what scripture says or what Rome says. The choice is yours.
Thats not what scripture teaches.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Yeah, no kidding. And we see how that was looked upon.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
I cant seem to find any reference or instructions to pray or even talk to those who have passed from this life.
Thank you. In all honesty, all I now about Christianity is from basically listening to Priests & Deacons in the Roman Catholic Church.
Good catch! I hadnt seen that one. So much for the “we don’t pray to Mary” crowd.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Now if you put away that Catholic propaganda and understand that the woman represents Israel it becomes clear.
Sorry, your "proof text" is a fail.
Call it what you want but God still condemns it.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
This is based on the principle that "two wrongs do not make a right."
Both of you and all on this thread: discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
“I can’t seem to find any reference or instructions to pray or even talk to those who have passed from this life.”
The reference is that Jesus clearly is seen conversing with Elijah and Moses in Mark 9:4. Elijah and Moses are dead (as far as this earth)
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them..." Exodus 19:4,5.
"If the image is meant to show the true God is not idolatry."
Since we have not physically seen the true God yet, then anything man makes to represent His likeness, or Mary's likeness, is idolatry. "Meant to" is not a loophole in God's Word.
Good point. Mary is venerated not worshipped. There’s a difference. BTW, I have heard that both Luther and Calvin believed in Mary’s perpetual virginity which would be anathema to modern day protestants. Certainly Luther had great reverence for Mary.
Jesus at that point was in His glorified body. He also didnt allow the apostles to speak to them did He.
Just another instance of changing glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man. Not a good practice per scripture.
“Since we have not physically seen the true God yet, ...”
Yes, we have seen Him - Jesus. Once he was incarnated we are allowed to represent his likeness because he showed us how he looks. The Shroud of Turin, and the mandylion are true representatives of Christ’s face and the early orthodox icons were modeled on the shroud.
The word icon in Greek for image is the word for an image such as seen in a mirror - the image is a version of reality.
Claiming that Jesus went up to the mountain to pray and prayed to Moses and Elijah or for the purpose of praying TO them.
Satan tried a similar tactic when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
Hey, I didn’t translate it and capitalize the name of God.
I just posted what it says and it says what it says.
..you..are...kidding..
No, Mary was not sinless.
Mary was a sinner, just like you and me. She proclaimed that fact herself (or did she lie?)
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