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To: caww; narses
Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?

Of course they do and obvious to any other than catholics.

Odd. It wasn't obvious to my current pastor (who spent 25 years as a Baptist minister, most of it in the armed forces and much of that in Germany). It is not obvious to the Anglicans who are fleeing from the obvious outcome of English Protestantism to Catholic Christianity.

The only ones it is 'obvious' to is those who reject the fundamental basis of being creatures (and therefore worshiping outside the self - to God) and who wholeheartedly embrace the worship of the self - the idol in the mirror. I find these folks to be invariably a book whose title (I am a Christian) directly opposes the content of that book.

When the Lord of All Judges you (no man gets a pass from Judgement no matter how he may stamp his little feet or pretend that that awful thing will happen to me), do you think that He will bend to your will and any self declaration of salvation or non Judgement?

Or as St. Paul says in Hebrews 27: 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment.

Or John observed in Revelation 20: 13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.

St. Luke wrote (painted) the first icon of Our Lady. If you do not accept his icon, why would you accept his Gospel and Acts? Why would you accept St. Paul (who Luke accompanied on many journeys) and any of his works on that basis?

996 posted on 01/13/2012 5:12:10 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
do you think that He will bend to your will and any self declaration of salvation or non Judgement?

Judgment for sin was met at Calvary in the person of Jesus Christ...He said..."It is finished"...I believe He meant that.....also... It is written..."there is NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus"...I believe this as well.

As for idols....Yes, if catholics are kneeling before a wooden figure made to look like mans idea of what she looked like then yes they are worshiping an idol....if they are praying to it, building shrines around it, parading it thru the streets, kissing it etc....yes then they are worshiping it...Just as I stated.

1,052 posted on 01/13/2012 6:43:55 PM PST by caww
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To: MarkBsnr
do you think that He will bend to your will and any self declaration of salvation or non Judgement?

Judgment for sin was met at Calvary in the person of Jesus Christ...He said..."It is finished"...I believe He meant that.....also... It is written..."there is NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus"...I believe this as well.

As for idols....Yes, if catholics are kneeling before a wooden figure made to look like mans idea of what she looked like then yes they are worshiping an idol....if they are praying to it, building shrines around it, parading it thru the streets, kissing it etc....yes then they are worshiping it...Just as I stated.

1,053 posted on 01/13/2012 6:44:21 PM PST by caww
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