[metmom]

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Makes it sound like Mary herself was the one who produced Jesus. The *fruit* of her womb?

Really?

[RobbyS]

Well, didn’t your mother “produce”you? Paul never mentions Mary’s name, but he speaks of Jesus as “born of a woman.” Mary was that woman.

[aruanan]

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Makes it sound like Mary herself was the one who produced Jesus. The *fruit* of her womb? Really?

Yeah. Will you guys never tire in playing word games? When the father is speaking of his child, born by the mother, he refers to the child as being the "fruit of his loins." There is no reason whatsoever, except a lame polemical one, for saying that the offspring of a woman, especially one who had known no man, could not be referred to as the "fruit of her womb."

[Cronos]

Makes it sound like Mary herself was the one who produced Jesus. The *fruit* of her womb?

does a mother "produce" her child? Really?

Perhaps a basic lesson in Christianity would help -- your mother didn't create you -- God did

I don't know what your philosophy says, but for us Christians whether Orthodox/Catholic/Oriental/Lutheran or Presbyterians or Pentecostals or Baptists or Methodists etc. believe that God created us, not our mothers

What else does your philosophy teach? We Christians (all the ones I mentioned above, plus also the non-Trinitarians like Oneness Pentecostals, etc. ) believe that God created everything that is seen and unseen. Question -- do believe that mother's create their children's souls?