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To: dangus; caww
So both of you are arguing that he said it and he didn’t mean it. (For the record, Iscool, yes, the ministry of preaching is entrusted to those who give up all they have to become priests. So, yes, we believe he meant all those passages you claim we don’t think he meant.)

Wrong...Jesus meant every word of it...But he meant it spiritually, not physically...

Your religion worships physically...You eat a wafer...You call that worship...

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

What kind of a relationship would/could you have with Jesus if you no longer had a Eucharist celebration or he was no longer perched in your monstrance???

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

It's all spiritual...

771 posted on 01/23/2012 6:01:27 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
What kind of a relationship would/could you (catholics) have with Jesus if you (they) no longer had a Eucharist celebration or he was no longer perched in your monstrance???

Interesting question....and could they celebrate Eucharist without a Priest?....Also could Rome exist without the Priesthood?

It does appear without the Priesthood it would all fall like a house of cards....because the Priesthood is central to everything else....rather than Christ our great High Priest.....and for that it is no wonder that the veil was rent...unfortunately catholicism put it back up and thus are unable to enter boldly into the presence of the Lord....Therefore they have no choice but to "create" another way to God, thru the various means and works they now have established.

783 posted on 01/23/2012 8:37:24 AM PST by caww
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To: Iscool
The Roman Catholic Church can't really trace itself back to the apostles, so it can't be the church established by Christ, even if we define the church the way Roman Catholicism wants us to.

The Catholic Church is older than individual evangelical churches and denominations, but not old enough to accurately be considered apostolic..... Eastern Orthodox and Anglican churches also claim to be apostolic, yet they disagree with each other and with the Roman Catholic Church on a lot of issues.... If all of these churches that claim to have apostolic successors were really who they claimed to be, there wouldn't be so many disagreements among them. .... There can be only one true church, yet a lot of groups claim that title.

The true church is a spiritual entity consisting of all believers, not a worldwide denomination. When Catholic ask for an alternative to the Roman Catholic Church, an alternative that would be a worldwide denomination, that could trace itself back to the apostles through successors, etc., .....they're asking for an alternative where there shouldn't be one.

792 posted on 01/23/2012 9:54:00 AM PST by caww
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