Posted on 01/27/2012 9:11:21 PM PST by Salvation
Newt said that every American should speak and read English.... apparently in some circles that will not help. It has not occurred to me that I should seek a denominational sanction that claims authority to stamped Matthew's WORDS the Gospel. All I have gotten from the discussion is 'confusion' and a headache.... ICorinthians 14:33 uh-oh think using 'sola scripture' will be allowed?
Sola Scriptura means by the “Scriptures Only” or The Bible as sole and final authority. Some Catholics feel that Catholic church traditions or Papal pronouncements can “instruct”(using as justification, the Bible’s injunction that its scriptures were not subject to “any private interpretation”) one as to how certain Bible scriptures must be viewed or interpreted or even ignored...especially in areas where the Bible may contradict established Roman Catholic church doctrines and practises.
But that is just plain wrong. Psalms 22 gives the Gospel of Matthew far more 'authority' than any denomination erected by flesh beings. At least I can verify what Psalms 22 prophesied many many years before the event occurred. I really do not understand a need to hand over to flesh the authority that is the Heavenly Father's alone... Well of course in the Name of His Only Begotten SON.
Thank you for your reply. Catholics do NOT refer to the Eucharist as a cracker. Transubstantiation is the what happens & it is possible to read about it in the documents of the early Church. The Eucharist is real. Praise God that we both do NOT think of Jesus as being a ‘cracker.’
Jesus in the Bible instructed us to become as small children. (Which means to have child like trust). God in his infinite Wisdom did not want us to wander-lost like a motherless-child. Jesus Christ built a Church (It’s in the Bible) & we like children trust in Holy Mother our Church to teach us the difference between a Sacrament & an allegory.
I like your tagline & I ‘stole’ a bit of it for my tagline. I didn’t use it for personal gain but to remind people we all need to ‘steal away’ to Jesus in the USA.> & Vote Pro-life.
[We know Gods words when we hear them. We dont need any creature to tell us. If and when we did need that, then we were not yet Christian.
That is the eventual - and completely subjective - fallback for Protestants who cant answer objective questions. It also doesnt work. I have no objective reason to believe Protestants hear the Word of God when it is spoken”]
Vladdy baby you don’t get it...it’s not a Protestant thing or a Catholic thing in “coming to faith by the hearing of God’s word”...but the shepherd and sheep principle...as in “My sheep hear my voice”(Jesus Christ)
Just so we're all on the same page here, obviously from the Catholic point of view we don't belong to a "denomination erected by flesh beings" but to the Society, or Body, or Church, established and headed by Christ.
It has been my experience after 30+ years of interaction with Catholic inlaws what is claimed and what is practiced. I have been told the program of who is who and what is what. But the program has some big glitches because of what is thrown in the trash basket, completely ignored as if 'flesh beings' have that authority. The 'church' was NEVER intended to be the object of worship, or any flesh beings including Mary.
Can you say *Teddy Kennedy*?
He granted a Catholic funeral, was he not?
And I seem to recall some issues with JFK's womanizing.
And vice in the priesthood? Naw, doesn't exist, does it? Of course, everyone knows the answer to that.
Our nation isn't the only organization tolerant of vice. The Catholic church's problem is that it's not tolerant of vice in the poorer laity. Apparently everyone else is exempt.
you wrote:
“Allowing me???? Wow, come down off the mountain and speak in a language that is understandable..”
I think you understood.
You wrote:
“Thats taking cover as I describes. It works, but its taking cover and cynically using the Catholic church for politics.”
You apparently have no evidence for what you’re saying. It seems rooted in prejudice than anything else.
My dog, for instance, is a flesh being.
You wrote:
“Vladdy baby you dont get it...its not a Protestant thing or a Catholic thing in coming to faith by the hearing of Gods word...but the shepherd and sheep principle...as in My sheep hear my voice(Jesus Christ)”
I do get it. Apparently you don’t.
NO vlad I do NOT understand the 'program', I am NOT playing games as IF I have some inherent cause for superiority.
So no Bible, No church, no minister, no hymnals, Jesus Himself came down and taught you to be Christian.
Is that really what you meant to say, because that is exactly what you did say.....
you wrote:
“Can you say *Teddy Kennedy*?”
I sure can - and he too was tolerated by this Protestant country - which just proves my point. This country doesn’t really care if liberals cheat on their wives, and in Newt’s case (I don’t believe he is a liberal) the USA is simply more accepting of sexual sin than it used to be.
“He granted a Catholic funeral, was he not?”
Which has nothing to do with anything here.
“And I seem to recall some issues with JFK’s womanizing.”
But since no one in the public knew about it at the time, it doesn’t apply to what I was talking about.
“And vice in the priesthood? Naw, doesn’t exist, does it?”
Yes, it does. And how many of those priests run president? Why don’t you throw in the kitchen sink like every other Protestant? Oh, wait, you already did. Every example you’ve brought up has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Gee, you must really be desperate.
“Of course, everyone knows the answer to that.”
I don’t think you know many answers.
“Our nation isn’t the only organization tolerant of vice.”
It’s the only one electing presidents of the United States. I hope you realize that.
“The Catholic church’s problem is that it’s not tolerant of vice in the poorer laity. Apparently everyone else is exempt.”
No, pretty obviously love of sinners extends to everyone.
You wrote:
“NO vlad I do NOT understand the ‘program’, I am NOT playing games as IF I have some inherent cause for superiority.”
The program is truth - and you really don’t seem to understand it. I am not playing games either about superiority.
After my own return to the Catholic Church I began to engage in apologetics work and I found this to be completely true. Quite a few left so they could remarry with out having to go through the annulment process, or because their request had been denied. Many also left over the issue of contraception.
“The locusts have no king, yet they march out in orderly bands, laying waste” Ecclesiastes
You don’t get it any of it at all!
“especially in areas where the Bible may contradict established Roman Catholic church doctrines and practises.”
You don’t say? I must belong to the “sola scriptura” vein of thinking because if I had a tradition or practice that was in contradiction to the Word of God.....boy, that’s frightening to ponder.
I will, thinking what I am about to say, will not be well received, because of the rejection of 'sola scripture'.
Before one WORD of the so called 'NEW' Testament was put on animal hides or plant fiber Christ Himself said. Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold I have foretold you all things. Then Christ quotes Isaiah 13:10 making Isaiah writing one and the same as the Gospel.
Now if even before Christ became the one and final for all time flesh sacrifice He could say He had already foretold us all things, then those born after are NOT speaking for HIM when they pen things that are in opposition to what was already foretold.
Even Paul gives Christ's warning a second witness in ICorinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: (examples) and they are written for our admonition (warning) upon whom the ends of the world (flesh age) are come.
The 'script' is already written, and by the WORD of God already written we can be forewarned.
But of course we have the flesh clay pot that houses the soul/spirit through this flesh journey, but none of us in these flesh clay pots are needed to add to or take away from the WORD that Christ stated with simple clarity has already been foretold. People who need to add or take away are already on the wrong path writing their own gospels.
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