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Posted on 01/27/2012 9:11:21 PM PST by Salvation
You do not wear obtuse well.
“It seems rooted in prejudice than anything else.”
Charging prejudice is the last bastion of ignorance.
So we’re done, are we?
“The program is truth - and you really don’t seem to understand it. I am not playing games either about superiority.”
Oh, now we’re talking about “truth”;...naked truth or truth tinged with love, without such love, the proclaiming of truth is akin to “clashing cymbals”? Vlad, you are one loud “superior” one man band!
“seventy six trombones hit the big parade..while hundred and ten cornets right behind, when Vladimir took his place as the one and only bass and he oompahed, oompahed, oompah pahed....oopahed up and down the square....”
I think you menat to respond to my post at 142 instead of 143...tee hee ...been there done that still have the tomato stains on my tee shirt!
You are correct. I don’t know how that happened.
OK we are finally getting somewhere. I really really do not understand the program, because it is in direct opposition to the WORD of God. Our Heavenly Father is in control and He took the time to have his elect pen His instruction book and made sure that any who will have opportunity to read HIS WORD without the interference of flesh beings who deceived themselves into believing they could ignore the WHOLE WORD and cut new keys every couple of generations.
One of those newly cut keys says there is no purgatory. So as one of my Catholic inlaws queried, what happened to everybody that was in purgatory when purgatory ended? A natural question worried about relatives still hanging out there in purgatory... Won't fit won't fly and there is an error in the program.
Using your own exact words is obtuse?
If you had meant something else then you should have written something else. Words actually mean things. I know that that is very difficult for protestants to believe but it is true.
Now if you want to amend your statement to say what you actually meant you go for it.
Oh, but I do.
You wrote:
“Charging prejudice is the last bastion of ignorance.”
The lack of evidence on your part shows what I said to be accurate.
“So we’re done, are we?”
You were done when you began - and you have no more evidence than at that time either.
I believe you will find that rather than purgatory you're referring to the theological theory of "infant's limbo" which is where some theologians taught unbaptized babies went. Purgatory is still taught by the Catholic Church.
It appears that in this case you (and apparently your Catholic inlaws) have the wrong end of the stick. If, after 30 years you could get something like this wrong then is it possible you're wrong on other Catholic issues?
You wrote:
“Oh, now we’re talking about “truth”;”
Always were. Perhaps you were not.
“...naked truth or truth tinged with love, without such love, the proclaiming of truth is akin to “clashing cymbals”? Vlad, you are one loud “superior” one man band!”
I told the truth. If the truth bothers you, then move on.
“seventy six trombones hit the big parade..while hundred and ten cornets right behind, when Vladimir took his place as the one and only bass and he oompahed, oompahed, oompah pahed....oopahed up and down the square....”
Play on, mdmathis, you don’t actually have anything of substance to add anyway, right?
One point of humility on my point...”The locusts” verse comes from Proverbs 30 verse 7 not Ecclesisates. Since I post in my own name, conscience and integrity before God and man demands that I post a correction.
You wrote:
“OK we are finally getting somewhere.”
No, you are not getting anywhere.
“I really really do not understand the program, because it is in direct opposition to the WORD of God. Our Heavenly Father is in control and He took the time to have his elect pen His instruction book and made sure that any who will have opportunity to read HIS WORD without the interference of flesh beings who deceived themselves into believing they could ignore the WHOLE WORD and cut new keys every couple of generations.”
Protestants are “flesh beings who deceived themselves into believing they could ignore the WHOLE WORD and cut new keys every couple of generations.”
“One of those newly cut keys says there is no purgatory. So as one of my Catholic inlaws queried, what happened to everybody that was in purgatory when purgatory ended?”
And you, of course, told her that she was gravely mistaken because purgatory has not ended, right? Seriously, you seem to have no idea of what you’re talking about.
“A natural question worried about relatives still hanging out there in purgatory... Won’t fit won’t fly and there is an error in the program.”
What you’re saying makes no sense since purgatory still exists.
I do not bring up the Bible except when asked. I do my very best in encouraging the 'sola scripture' answers all question, not me. Please do NOT question my inlaws Catholicism, we are talking Catholic school and all that contribution outside of tuition involves and whatever other $$$ and church attendance that is required to keep in good standing.
I have attended confirmations, christenings, weddings, funerals etc., with them. Purgatory has not been a recent discussion, but there was 'fear' at the time the discussion took place as to where all those who hang in purgatory might have gone.
Now having relayed all this information, my inlaws vote for liberal democrats.... and they rarely miss mass.
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What is “the program?”
Who is on 'first'? (snicker) The best I can express is that one must give allegiance to the 'church', something akin to an oath, and her doctrines. I just cannot do object worship in the hands of flesh beings when I can read for myself what Christ said and who He said it to.
Well if that is the case, I am with you.
Here's a citation from the "new" Catechism (or cataclysm as I sometimes call it) of the Catholic Church:
III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. the tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
I believe that should resolve any questions over whether the Catholic Church still teaches purgatory, yes?
Therefore, since you've got that wrong what else might you not understand about what the Catholic Church really teaches and believes? I'm not trying to rub it in, but you're wrong on that issue, flat out wrong.
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