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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums; metmom; CynicalBear; caww
Feeling hopelessly mired in confusion? That's to be expected when 2 Tim. 2:15 isn't followed.

In the first place, I didn't say it. Paul said it. Through the Holy Spirit. Meaning God said it. Paul laid the foundation of the dispensation of the grace of God, of which Paul was the Apostle. How much clearer can it be made? The Twelve did not. Paul did. With Christ as the chief cornerstone. Just like Christ being the chief cornerstone of the Messianic Church of the Kingdom, of which the Twelve were the Apostles. They are both built on the foundation of Christ. One being for a KINGDOM OF BELIEVERS, and one being for a BODY OF BELIEVERS. BOTH on Christ. As Messiah AND the head of the Body.

As for your "He (Paul) reminds them that he stard the church there (Corinth) NOT EVERY ONE, BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE and is trying to get everyone to do their part within the Church context."

"Besides those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the CARE OF ALL THE CHURCHES." 2 Cor. 11:28. Which CHURCHES? Certainly not the Messianic Church, that was the job of the Twelve. Preaching Christ as Messiah, to persuade the Nation of Israel to accept Christ as Messiah, so He would return to set up His Kingdom. So, what CHURCHES did Paul have care of? The churches of the body of Christ, founded on the grace of God and the finished work of Christ, where Gentiles were saved apart from the covenants of promise made to Israel. Both preached Christ, one for Kingdom Jews, and one for Gentiles. Until Israel is blinded and set aside in Acts 28. Then it was to Jew and Gentile alike, without preference, all based on the reconciliation of God and man.

If you would take the time to read Galatians, Chapter 2, you would see the gospel of the CIRCUMCISION and the gospel of the UNCIRCUMCISION being discussed, and agreed upon by the Twelve and Paul.

431 posted on 03/30/2012 6:23:56 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice; boatbums; metmom
Feeling hopelessly mired in confusion? That's to be expected when 2 Tim. 2:15 isn't followed.

The only confusion I have is why anyone would follow anything from Darby or Scofield. If you divide the word properly, you will arrive at what the Church has taught for 2000 years, not oddities that amateurs in their cups arrive at in the wee hours.

In the first place, I didn't say it. Paul said it. Through the Holy Spirit. Meaning God said it. Paul laid the foundation of the dispensation of the grace of God, of which Paul was the Apostle. How much clearer can it be made? The Twelve did not. Paul did. With Christ as the chief cornerstone. Just like Christ being the chief cornerstone of the Messianic Church of the Kingdom, of which the Twelve were the Apostles. They are both built on the foundation of Christ. One being for a KINGDOM OF BELIEVERS, and one being for a BODY OF BELIEVERS. BOTH on Christ. As Messiah AND the head of the Body.

Right. Paul is the person of Christ who really matters to Christians. The actual person of Christ is a precursor and is only to the Jews. Gotcha.

"Besides those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the CARE OF ALL THE CHURCHES." 2 Cor. 11:28. Which CHURCHES? Certainly not the Messianic Church, that was the job of the Twelve. Preaching Christ as Messiah, to persuade the Nation of Israel to accept Christ as Messiah, so He would return to set up His Kingdom. So, what CHURCHES did Paul have care of? The churches of the body of Christ, founded on the grace of God and the finished work of Christ, where Gentiles were saved apart from the covenants of promise made to Israel. Both preached Christ, one for Kingdom Jews, and one for Gentiles. Until Israel is blinded and set aside in Acts 28. Then it was to Jew and Gentile alike, without preference, all based on the reconciliation of God and man.

Each bishop individually is responsible for the care of his own flock. All of the bishops together are responsible for the care of all of their flock. Paul is reminding the miscreants in Corinth that he started them and is responsible for them and many more. But I appreciate the extent of the explanation that you guys have moved beyond Christianity and into Paulianity. It is something that I noted some years ago, but with much denial on your part. I appreciate that you have chosen this point in time to come out from the closet, as it were.

If you would take the time to read Galatians, Chapter 2, you would see the gospel of the CIRCUMCISION and the gospel of the UNCIRCUMCISION being discussed, and agreed upon by the Twelve and Paul.

If you would take the time to read all of Galatians, you would see what Paul is trying to tell them. These Galatians were beseiged by the Judaizers who are trying to subvert them. Paul is trying to tell them of his Apostolic authority and setting it up as the main argument to sway them back to the Faith.

All things to all men, remember? Paul is preaching the Gospel of Christ. If you deny the Gospel as preached by Christ, what makes you Christian?

449 posted on 03/31/2012 3:50:28 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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