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To: CommerceComet

As their religious beliefs affect you, feel free criticize, but as to the beliefs themselves, who cares? It is just a weak indirect attack on Romney who has enough real liberal baggage to swing at. It invites scrutiny into everyone religion which is inappropriate and irrelevant.


33 posted on 03/31/2012 9:40:42 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop
"""It invites scrutiny into everyone religion which is inappropriate and irrelevant."""

And to this I say, BRING IT ON. Only the cult religions have something to hide and fear. The ones that keep changing their doctrines to fit an occasion.

Our GOD, the real "I AM" GOD and "His WORD", will never change, not one iota, not one word will change, EVER.

No human has or will ever have the power to do that, many have tried, as the LDS and failed miserably, which is why the LDS is being exposed for the anti christ cultism it is and it too will fail. For that we can thank MITTENS.

The "I AM" will not be mocked.

HE is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We who believe that have nothing to fear by any scrutiny. Bring it on.

The cultist Jim Jones had to take his group out of the country in hiding, only to kill them by poison. Cultist do that as well, not with poison, but with lies that kill the soul, some to the degree they may never return to the truth of the Real GOD. Who will pay for that, we that know the truth and don't disclose it will be held responsible.

34 posted on 03/31/2012 10:12:21 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: MrShoop; CommerceComet
...as to the beliefs themselves, who cares?

We care. We are our brother's spiritual keeper. You may have opted out of being a spiritual neighbor to others; it doesn't mean we have to follow your lead.

You seem to be trying (feebly, IMA) to get some political alliance to "unite" behind an anti-Obama cause.

I've told others on other threads that I could probably guess that the folks who the apostle Paul warned the church @ Ephesus about had the bulk in common with the sheep there. Both groups were "religious."

So, did Paul play the "allies"-game-don't-divide-us-you're playing? (No)

As Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:

"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)

Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves!)

Tell me something, MrShoop: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important? So what? We're just to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what does he know about cultural priorities?"

I'll take Paul's already-revealed priorities to your guesswork based upon bashing others as "attackers" & of the devil. I'll take those willing to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3) vs. your apparent ignorance of the Bible.

39 posted on 03/31/2012 11:29:16 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: MrShoop
As their religious beliefs affect you, feel free criticize, but as to the beliefs themselves, who cares? It is just a weak indirect attack on Romney who has enough real liberal baggage to swing at. It invites scrutiny into everyone religion which is inappropriate and irrelevant.

The first question suggests that you aren't a Christian or you wouldn't ask that question. As Christians, we are commanded to share the Gospel with those, like Mormons, who are in spiritual darkness. In the case of those holding false beliefs, presenting the Gospel often requires exposing the errors of those false beliefs. How can a Christian convince a Mormon of the need for a savior from sin when he falsely believes that he is a god in embryo?

You must not spend much time on the political pages of FR or you would have seen that I have unrelenting in my criticisms of Romney's POLITICAL views and have been since the first Romney run for President. I wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney if he were a Christian evangelical. Since Mitt Romney will give us 90% of Obama's agenda, anyway, why vote for Romney and kill the conservative movement for such a marginal improvement?

Scrutiny of a candidate's religious beliefs is wrong? So would you vote for a Scientologist? Would you vote for an ardent atheist? Would you vote for a Muslim? Would you vote for Muslim extremist? If honest with yourself, somewhere in that list, you would say no which suggests that it isn't that we shouldn't consider religion beliefs as disqualifying but where we draw the line. In your case, apparently, Mormonism is not disqualifying but many people disagree.

Part of the entire process that so disgusts me in this primary season is how quickly the GOP-E has latched onto Romney and how they expect evangelicals to put their principles away to vote him. Part of the GOP-E probably loves putting evangelicals "in their place" but another part is just ignorant of how offensive a Mormon candidate can be to a critical component of their constituency. What they fail to realize is that for most evangelicals, loyalty to Jesus Christ and His Church is more important than loyalty to political conservatism which is important than loyalty to the Republican Party. As for me and my family, we won't vote for someone whose politics and religion are distasteful to us just because he has an R behind his name. I could hold my nose and vote for McCain because although not an evangelical, he wasn't hostile to evangelical Christianity. The same can't be said for Mitt Romney who holds a high position in a "church" which is based upon hostility to evangelical Christianity.

41 posted on 03/31/2012 12:03:21 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: MrShoop

Everyone’s religious beliefs are who they are.
mormonism at its core is liberal.
Romney is a liberal because he is a mormon not in spite of it.
If you want to know who Romney is, you had better learn what mormonism is.


47 posted on 03/31/2012 3:11:40 PM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: MrShoop
It is just a weak indirect attack on Romney who has enough real liberal baggage to swing at.

DANG!!

I was hoping for a DIRECT and PUNISHing blow to be landed!

Darn!!

Now folks might say something bad about MY 'religion'.

Go for it:

Christian - subset WESLEYAN doctrine.

50 posted on 03/31/2012 5:50:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MrShoop
As their religious beliefs affect you, feel free criticize, but as to the beliefs themselves, who cares?

Who cares?

WHO CARES???!!!


 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



51 posted on 03/31/2012 5:51:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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