The scripture was not initially written in Latin...
Everything is by God’s power, His Will, no on disagrees. It is by Christ’s power that Mary crushes the head of the serpent. If you say no, you have to explain...
In the first part of the chapter you guys claim that the Woman is Mary...Mary then ran away and hid in the wilderness...No crushing Satan there...
And now all of a sudden the same Woman is the last of the chapter is the Roman Catholic Church...
Satan then sends a massive flood to kill the 'Woman' but the earth swallows up the water...Satan gets mad and then goes after the seed of the Woman...Nowhere does it say the Woman crushed the head of Satan...
Your religion made it up out of thin air and astoundingly, you guys believe it, even after reading what it does and doesn't say...
A little research into the pages of the OT will confirm to any honest researcher that the Woman of Revelation 12 is the Nation of Israel, not the Catholic religion...
The woman said to be clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and twelve stars are symbols drawn from Genesis 37:9–11, in which Joseph ”dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.” (Genesis 37:9)
The sun represented Jacob (Israel) and the moon Rachel, and the stars representing his brothers, the patriarchs of Israel, all of which bow down to him. Thus Jacob said, “Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?” The 12 stars on the woman’s head represents the 12 patriarchs, “and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Rm. 9:5)
The Old Testament’s prophets also referred to Israel as a “woman” (Is. 54:5-6; Jer. 4:31; Micah 4:9-10).
Which position is what their own stamped notes in their own official American bible states:
[12:1] The woman adorned with the sun, the moon, and the stars (images taken from Gn 37:9–10) symbolizes God’s people in the Old and the New Testament. The Israel of old gave birth to the Messiah (Rev 12:5) and then became the new Israel, the church, which suffers persecution by the dragon (Rev 12:6, 13–17); cf. Is 50:1; 66:7; Jer 50:12.
The Latin Vulgate, the first Bible says “she” not “He” or “It.”
The scripture was not initially written in Latin...
Everything is by God’s power, His Will, no on disagrees. It is by Christ’s power that Mary crushes the head of the serpent. If you say no, you have to explain...
“In the first part of the chapter you guys claim that the Woman is Mary...Mary then ran away and hid in the wilderness...No crushing Satan there...
And now all of a sudden the same Woman is the last of the chapter is the Roman Catholic Church”...
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Iscool,
Yes, the original writings were not in Latin, they were
translated into Latin by St. Jerome because Latin was the
common language of the time.
You’re not understanding Iscool. There can be more than
one meaning for a verse but above all, predominately “Mary”
is the “woman” in Genesis 3:15, the same “woman” Our Lord
speaks of in the Gospel in addressing His mother and Mary
is the “woman” in Revelation 12.
John describes the New Ark of the Covenant in Heaven in the
last verse of Revelation, Chapter 11. Who would that be,
it is Mary. John is preparing you for the first verse in Chapter 12.
And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:
Mary is in Heaven with her Son. Israel isn’t in Heaven
with Our Lord. Replace Israel in verse 12:1:
And a great sign appeared in heaven: A ISRAEL clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:
Doesn’t fit, Mary is the predominate meaning of the “woman.” The changes made to translations of Genesis 3:15 from the original, the Vulgate...saying “He” and “It” are wrong.
As very few verses of Scripture have been “infallibly” defined by Rome, the RC has great liberty to interpret Scripture to support her traditions of men, and some are more “Catholic” than her scholars, such as those who adamantly insistent that the women of Rv. 12 must be Mary, and which is consistent with the hyper exaltation given to the Catholic Mary (versus the holy humble handmaid of the Lord in Scripture).
These lay apologists will sometimes demand stamped material from Rome, but when it does not support their absolutism with its rejection that the women can be the people of God, Israel (which best fits the typology and Rm. 9:5) and then the church, they will reject it as well.
Having shown what the NAB states in support of the people of God being the women, the conservative Catholic Haydock comments,
Ver. 1. A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet. By this woman, interpreters commonly understand the Church of Christ, shining with the light of faith, under the protection of the sun of justice, Jesus Christ. The moon, the Church, hath all changeable things of this world under her feet, the affections of the faithful being raised above them all. -— A woman: the Church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady[the Virgin Mary].
The Church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet; and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions. (Challoner) -— Under the figure of a woman and of a dragon, are represented the various attempts of Satan to undermine the Church. -— On her head....twelve stars, her doctrine being delivered by the twelve apostles and their successors. (Witham)
Ver. 2. With child, &c., to signify that the Church, even in the time of persecutions, brought forth children to Christ. (Witham) -— It likewise signifies the difficulties which obstructed the first propagation of Christianity. (Pastorini)
Ver. 3. Another wonder in heaven; that is, in the Church of Christ, though revealed to St. John, in the visions, as if they were seen in heaven. -— A great red dragon; a fiery dragon, with seven heads and ten horns; i.e. many heads and many horns. By the dragon is generally understood the devil, (see ver. 7 and 9) and by the heads and horns, kings and princes, who act under him, persecuting the servants of God. (Witham) -— Dragon, &c. the devil; and by the seven heads and ten horns, are meant those princes and governors who persecute the Church of Christ. (Calmet)
Ver. 6. The woman fled into the wilderness. The Church, in the times of persecutions, must be content to serve God in a private manner; - http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id298.html
Also, http://www.the-highway.com/matt24_Woodrow4.html
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Mary.html#Revelation
“The modern Mariologists like to turn to [Revelation 12], seeing in it an allegory of the Virgin Mary. But whatever can be thought of their interpretation, it is a fact that none of the early interpreters before the end of the fourth century see the Virgin Mary in the woman of the Revelation. They all understand her to be the Church and so they continue to make most of their interpretations in the following centuries. Ticonius is the first to suggest the Marian interpretation” [Giovanni Miegge, The Virgin Mary (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1955, pp.101-102)]. - http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/02/revelation-12.html
cf. http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3213
100% agree! The woman referred to in Genesis as being at "enmity" with Satan is also Israel. Mary, though she admirably acted in faith and obedience to God's plan, was NOT pursued and persecuted by the devil, her and Joseph's trip to Egypt notwithstanding. Satan has ALWAYS sought to thwart the plans of God by trying to annihilate Israel. He failed and will continue to do so. Iran is just Satan's latest pawn to be at enmity with Israel.