“That kind of thinking sort of does away with the need for approval altogether. You can believe in an unapproved message without approval of the local bishop (why else would you seek approval unless you believed it?), but it ought not be propagated until there is approval. Certainly, they should not be labeled visions or apparitions without a serious qualifier, such as “purported” or “claimed”.
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Hi Doctor,
Not true, if you are saying until a private revelation gains approval, we are not allowed to believe a private revelation.
Catholics who are interested in the prophetic, know which has “approval” and which is yet to be “approved” and that is most of the current messages from Heaven. You can’t keep what Heaven is saying away from people until “approval” comes.
Heaven can’t wait that long. The smoke of Satan has
infiltrated the Vatican per Pope Paul VI. This fact and pride, “some” of the local bishops and Vatican hierarchy are biased. Yes. The messages from Heaven say it.
We need Heaven’s help now. You mentioned the recent “approved” Wisconsin apparition. Is it 10 years for approval, what is the time period that it took to be approved?
And speak of Medjugorje. The Vatican took over it’s investigation so it has not been decided yet. Look at the fruit, the miracles of Medjugorje.
Hey StPio, I doubt that you know how to discern apparition messages very well. But there is alot of error in TheWarningSecondComing.com
For one, last year either ‘Jesus’ or ‘Mary’ was stating the warning would occur in 2011. When that didnt happen they edited it out of the messages. There is so much more.
Conte has one of the best written denunciations of these messages:
http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/evaluation-of-the-warning-second-coming-messages/
Followed by this forum and its two threads on the subject:
http://motherofgod.freeforums.org/the-warning-second-coming-t2799.html
http://motherofgod.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2218
Please be aware that these message are false and hopefully you quit disseminating them or learn how to discern these things.
I am afraid that you did not read my post carefully.
1. The purported apparition in Necedah, Wisconsin was condemned, NOT approved, and it didn’t take ten years. Steps were taken against it after two years, and outright condemnation after six. The one in Nicaragua was approved almost immediately.
2. I stated in the part that you quoted that one can believe in a message, provided that it does not contradict church teaching; but no, propagation is a different matter.
3. The Vatican’s review of Medjugorje does not pre-empt the bishop of Mostar’s authority in this matter. Bishop Zanic, known for his orthodoxy, had condemned the purported apparitions (the problems with Med. is well documented by both E.Michael Jones and Michael Davies) and the promoters of it were disobediently promoting it even after this. Multiple commissions at both the local level, and at the Vatican also ruled that there was nothing supernatural taking place there.)
4. Historically, true apparitions did NOT have such promotion. Juan Diego went to the priests and bishops. The Fatima children were not telling people to come. Also, the ones that have been approved historically are the ones that don’t go on forever (meaning the investigation cannot be closed). Fatima took place over a few months, Nicaragua was a total of five.
5. “The Holy Father will have much to suffer.” (Fatima) Maybe part of his suffering will come from falsehoods condemning his even before his ascension to the papacy.
Promoting these sorts of anonymous, unapproved purported messages because you believe in them invites rebuttals from those who do not. I had not heard of it before tonight, but it reminds me a lot more of the phonies peddled in Necedah and Bayside than the beautiful truths and careful warnings given at Fatima and Lourdes.
Catholics may even have a duty to point out the problems with such things when aired in a public forum such as FR.
I take no pleasure in this, but I have seen the wrong kind of interest in apparitions, especially the unapproved ones, cause real problems.
I don’t doubt that you have a deep devotion to Out Lord and His Mother. I would urge you to read up on the approved apparitions like Akita and “Our Lady of Nicaragua”, and let the approvals come when they come, if they come.