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Hi, your numbered list,

I don’t know everything and neither do you. That’s the point of prophecy. God is explicit, to help people in a certain period of time.

1. I am sorry, I was thinking of another apparition, not Necedah. This one has the bishop’s recent approval, it is Our Lady of Good Help in Champion, Wisconsin (once Robinsonville). I don’t know a thing about Necdah only that it is condemned. I should find out the time period between the first apparition and the approval of Our Lady of Good Help.

2. Please explain further “propagation” being a different matter?

3. The Vatican took over Medjugorje, it isn’t decided yet no
matter your opinion. They are investigating it right now. I was negative about Medjugorje but I have changed after reading of some of the miracles.

4. Medjugorje is commercial but you still have to look at the conversions, confessions, return to the faith and the miracles there. People did not have the almost instant info on an apparition or the means to go to a place of apparition like they do today. I am going back to does a “yet to be approved” message from Heaven go against the Church? A person can discern this with prayer, Jesus tells you to Dr Sivana.

5. Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns
out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will
be false.

I didn’t promote any condemned apparitions. You brought them up. FR is a discussion forum where people talk about events, with a Religion section. The faith should be talked about, prophecy included.

We disagree, you don’t care for yet to be approved private revelation and I do. Akita happened a long time ago, Heaven hasn’t been silent since then.

I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience. 2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission. 3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things. 4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

WITH FORMATTING!

I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience.

2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission.

3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things.

4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm