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To: boatbums

Then you don’t believe in original sin? Which sect do you belong to?

Again, you are not thinking this through. Saying all aborted children get to heaven makes abortion a net good. Not all of them, if they were born and grew up, would be saved.

So if then why be pro life? It is like the popular (and wrong) statement that those who die in a public and horrific way (think the Twin Towers) get a free pass to heaven.


89 posted on 04/25/2012 4:29:16 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum; CynicalBear
Then you don’t believe in original sin? Which sect do you belong to? Again, you are not thinking this through. Saying all aborted children get to heaven makes abortion a net good. Not all of them, if they were born and grew up, would be saved. So if then why be pro life? It is like the popular (and wrong) statement that those who die in a public and horrific way (think the Twin Towers) get a free pass to heaven.

What "sect" do I belong to??? I already stated I accepted that the sin nature from Adam passed down to all mankind and that all stand condemned because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. My contention that God's mercy and grace cover the aborted and those who, through no fault of their own, i.e.; little children, the mentally handicapped, are covered under that mercy of God and they are NOT sent to hell. Any and all others MUST come to God through faith in Christ. You say not all of the aborted would come to Christ when they grew up is really a moot point since they CANNOT grow up and come to Christ. Don't you think God knew ahead of time those that would be born and be held accountable? How do you deal with all those souls that die through miscarriage, ones that ONLY God can even know?

I just cannot get over your attack that saying God saves those who are aborted makes abortion a "net good". That is disgusting to even say so. By your reasoning, should parents baptize their baby first before they kill it? Would that then be also a "net good". Do you see where such logic leads? My ONLY contention is that the mercy of God covers the innocents. They are NOT condemned to hell if they could not have the ability to believe in Christ. This in no way gives anyone a free pass but is probably the MOST pro-life position one can have. I am not speaking here of sane, self-aware humans but of the truly innocent lives that God will not send to hell but will take with him to heaven.

All those Egyptian babies that died when the Angel of Death killed the first born on that first Passover were NOT sent to hell. That would make God unjust and he IS a just and righteous God. His nature is mercy so those who are innocent and die are covered under the blood of Christ through the grace of God. Now I realize that Scripture does not directly address this, but we CAN know enough about the goodness and grace of God - that it is His will that ALL be saved - to believe that the aborted, the babies that die soon after birth and those who have no capability to mentally receive the Gospel will be in heaven. God is good, "The Judge of all the earth always does right" (cf Gen 18:25)... in mercy and grace or even in judgment. Psalms 145:9 The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.

From the site http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/qna56.htm:

    Westminster Confession of Faith (1646): Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit, who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth. So also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.

    London Baptist Confession of Faith (1689): Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word. The provided Scripture reference for this section, which emphasizes that God does what He pleases, is...

      John 3:3, 5-6, 8 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." ... 5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. ... 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." (NIV)

    Isn't it great to know that our God is sovereign over all, and that He chooses, and that He is good?! Psalms 135:3-6 Praise the LORD, for the LORD is good; sing praise to his name, for that is pleasant. 4 For the LORD has chosen Jacob to be his own, Israel to be his treasured possession. 5 I know that the LORD is great, that our Lord is greater than all gods. 6 The LORD does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths. (NIV)


91 posted on 04/26/2012 7:20:56 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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