Posted on 04/26/2012 1:32:13 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
Just once, Jeff it would seem that you might actually read the posts on the thread.
You state: So it certainly could occur just as Jospeh Smith spoke it. But he did not indicate that the Church or the Priesthood would take over the government and the Chuirch does not teach that in the least. It does teach that Christ will lead the government after His return and this is something that Christians universally believe.
Read Post #38.
"“Eventually, however, the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters do the sea. But there will be need for the preaching of the gospel, after the millennium is brought in, until all men are either converted or pass away” (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:86–87).
■ “In that great change, or resurrection, which shall come to this earth, it shall be sanctified, celestialized and made a fit abode even for God the Father, who shall grace it with his presence. ( D.C. 88:19 .) Then shall the righteous, those who have become sanctified through the law of God, possess it for ever as their abode. This earth is destined to become the everlasting residence of its inhabitants who gain the glory of the celestial kingdom. It shall become in that day like the throne of God and shall shine forth with all the splendor and brightness of celestial glory in its eternal, sanctified and glorious state” (Smith, Way to Perfection, 351). So Jeff, WHOOO will be those who gain the "everlasting residence of its inhabitants who gain the glory of the celestial kingdom?
The Millennium and the Glorification of the Earth
Joseph Smith taught that the WHOLE WORLD would be ruled by mormon elders and this is NOT "something that Christians universally believe."
I was not aware any group but the Mormons campaigned to stop Prop 8 and I live in L.A. The Mormons were the most vocal and took the brunt of the backlash from the gay/Marxist troops.
You need to calm down.
God will deal with you. That I am assured.
The crazy train is pulling into my stop. Best of luck.
You Mormon-haters mormonism defenders are truly hysterical.
Okay, thanks for playing!
I'd point you to some of the names we have been called by mormons in the past, but unfortunately they have been deleted.
Its a little strange, but I think its safe to assume you're doing this to prevent a Mormon President which I would completely understand.
Well, you got THAT right. I consider Romney as big a threat to the country as Obama AND mormonism a threat to the souls of all.
Don't know if you are a mormon Deb - but you don't know mormonism' foundations that still carry through to today. You blow past their PR front and their underlying DOCTRINE is that they are the only true church and that all other churches are apostate, of the devil and condemned to hell. Those are in the missionary teachings, their doctrinal standard works as well as the historic messages of their apostles and prophets.
Smith started the attack by calling all other churches apostate (first vision). In his book of mormon he lists mormonism as the only true church and the others the church of the devil (1 Nephi 14:10). In their doctrinal teaching manual "Gospel Principles" Ch 22 they still cite the "Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball" to say that what today's churches are "called Christianity". And that they are in and total darkness (Milton R. Hunter, “The Missionary Assignment,” Improvement Era, Dec. 1951, 920).
If you are a mormon Deb - if you are going to be honest, you need to admit that your 50,000 missionaries carry this message on a daily basis. That equates to a never ending assault on another religion. And if you are not - then study what Mormonism teaches as doctrine regarding non-mormonity and not the slick PR they put forth for public consumption.
When one looks at what they contributed to save Californians' butts to save the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman and fighting off gay and lesbian marriage, it is tragic to be that people that deem themselves 'conservative' or 'Christian' would chase away and spat at such an ally. I personally thank God for ally's in his name. Truly I do.
Looks like time for a mormon shift change. ;0)
So, now....Thanks for playing!!!
:)
"That one....and there is only One."
Jesus Christ Himself says there will be false Christs. He would know. In fact, God records three times by the Holy Spirit the words of Christ that other, false Christs will arise.
If Jesus Christ Himself says it three times, and God the Father records it by inspiration of the Holy Spirit three times, we should believe there are false Christs.
Mark 13:6; 21-22 - Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Matthew 24:24 - "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible."
Matthew 24:24 - "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible."
"But the key thing is His atonement, His offering for our sins if we will accept Him and confess Him as Lord and Savior and the author of our Salvation."
Jeff, a false Christ can't atone for anyone. The "His", "Him", you refer to (while apparently avoiding admitting who "He" is) is not the Biblical Christ, eternal God, never created nor made, but the mormonic Christ who is a created spirit being. As such, the created Christ cannot redeem himself, let alone another human.
"The principles where we differ on the Trinity and their nature are things that do not detract from or lessen His Atonement in the least, which is required for all of our salvation."
It is true that mormons do not accept the Biblical teaching of only ONE GOD - the key thing about Himself that He revealed to Israel. It is also true that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also revealed as God - ONE God. No human ever becomes God. He is eternal and never-changing. A created Christ can not become God, nor atone for anyone.. So, the Bible disagrees with your claim that God's nature doesn't impact the atonement.
My understanding of mormon teaching is that if you are not considered worthy, you will never have the chance to meet God in person. You will be relegated to a lesser mormonic heaven. Jeff, you will NEVER be worthy. Ever. That is the whole point of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ - the real one who is God. I don't doubt your sincerity at all. I don't doubt you have faith. Unfortunately, faith is only as good as the object of your faith. The object of your faith (you are going to great lengths to avoid truthfully describing here) is a created spirit being who became one of millions of mormon gods, instead of the one and only God, who can save.
The fact that you must carefully craft your responses here to avoid (seems the only possible reason) saying which Christ you believe in speaks volumes. I cannot read your mind. I can read your words - and the lack of forthrightness in your response.
Well said!
You are defending individual moromns? I missed that.
If you do not like the discussion on mormonism in the religion forum, stay off the thread.
I defend my mormon family and friends as well as individuals, mormonism I expose.
Whether you were aware of it or not speaks only about you. The fact remains that many groups were involved. I've demonstrated that factually and with calmness.
You seem content only have ad hominem attacks and personal experience. That seems to be what mormons do. Are you wearing the magic underwears by any chance?
I didn't ask for anything - so why are YOU asking what I want? Where did the idea come from?
Its okay to say, "I don't know"
IDIOT!! If I wanted something - I KNOW IT!! You really are one idiot poster. Did you wake up an idiot today or were you always like this. Or is it the mormon curse? And you can't answer where did that idea come from? LOL! Just repeat it like a robot.
"I'm just part of the smashmouth group who's trying to get Obama re-elected by trashing Romney's religion
You are the cult mentality with 'just part of'- not I. There is no getting him elected - the POS ROMNEY is GIVING it to him. Barry has ALL THE AMNO on Romney - ALL READY with his staff being busy for a year. So the maggot MORMON is responsible - for allowing Barry and all his thugs run rampant on America for 4 more years - DON'T be looking for others to blame like liberals do!
NEWT IS and WAS the ONLY HONEST Candidate - a WeThePeople Candidate and honesty is repellant to romney as is America/Our Constitution and THOU SHALT NOT KILL!
Be sure and ping us when you come to the defense of your muslim friends.
It seems evident that it's perfectly OK with you that the mormons send out 52,000 missionaries every day to tell Christians that their faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is to join the mormon church and take part in arcane rituals in their temples.
Ask some of your mormon friends what goes on there...OR...
Click Here...and remember that not only your worthy mormon friends, but Mitt Romney have taken part in these rituals.
“Me thinks the trashing of Mormons and Mormonism on this website is without a doubt linked to Romney’s run for President whether that be six years ago or five.”
Most of the Flying Inmans have been posting the truth about the heresy of mormonism long before Willard ran the first time. We will be doing the same long after he retires to one of his homes.
“When one looks at what they contributed to save Californians’ butts to save the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman and fighting off gay and lesbian marriage, it is tragic to be that people that deem themselves ‘conservative’ or ‘Christian’ would chase away and spat at such an ally. I personally thank God for ally’s in his name. Truly I do.”
When you used the phrase “spat on”, it sounded so much like our old friend, Saundra Duffy! Of course, she exaggerated as much as you just did.
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