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To: doc1019; terycarl; Cronos
Bull, nothing in the bible requires baptism for entrance into heaven. The only requirement is acceptance that Jesus is our Lord and savior.

1 peter 21 This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God* for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

I really wish that prots would start reading the Bible, even once in a while would help them.

46 posted on 04/28/2012 5:19:15 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: verga

There’s no need to make offensive generalizations like you did - it doesn’t help the discussion.

It’s not as cut and dry as you make it seem. There are some Biblical verses that seem to imply that water baptism is required for salvation, but there are many other verses that speak of salvation with no mention of water baptism. The key is to understand the context of the verses in question.

In the verse you posted, we see that water is seen as a type of instrument for salvation, and was compared to the water in the flood, which “saved” Noah. Of course, the water itself didn’t save Noah, but the ark, which is a figure for Christ. In the same way, our salvation comes from Christ, and the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. Peter is comparing the water in baptism to the water in the flood, but in both cases, the water itself really isn’t critical piece of salvation. It is the repentant heart; trust in God, and the Holy Spirit, that brings salvation.


47 posted on 04/28/2012 6:48:58 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: verga; Cronos

Why is it so difficult for those who require “acceptance” of Jesus to “accept” (believe and trust) those things which Jesus has commanded, namely Baptism and Eucharist?

If “acceptance” depends on my intellectual assent or fervent emotions then “my” acceptance will always be subject to question and found wanting. If on the other hand I simply trust and believe that Jesus’s word accomplishes that for which He sends it that can never be found wanting.


50 posted on 04/28/2012 7:45:00 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: verga
1 peter 21 This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God* for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

I really wish that prots would start reading the Bible, even once in a while would help them.

Shirley you jest...

1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21  The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Sorry, but this baptism is the answer of a good conscience...It is something a Christian does in his mind...Has nothing with someone else sprinkling water on him...

The baptism that now saves us has nothing to do with water...

82 posted on 04/28/2012 5:34:30 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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