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To: count-your-change; metmom; boatbums; caww; smvoice; presently no screen name; Quix; sasportas; ...

“Infallibility” is not limited to the pope, but extends to ecumenical councils when fulfilling the criteria for such, with papal infallibility being able to provide assurance that such were infallible (though RCs cannot know how many infallible decrees there are, which should be necessary to give the required assent of faith, and must seek to make sure they understand them rightly).

What Rome has done is “infallibly” declare that she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

She may invoke Scriptures to support this, but assurance of the veracity of her doctrines is not dependent upon the exegetical weight of Scriptural warrant, and interpretations only have weight if she sanctions them, but it rests upon the premise of her self-proclaimed assured infallibility.

And no one can argue with that.


10 posted on 04/29/2012 4:59:09 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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To: daniel1212; metmom; RnMomof7; boatbums; CynicalBear
Infallibility evidently has a trickle down effect to the faithful, also. Roman Catholicism teaches that the faithful have a "supernatural appreciation of the faith. This is called the sensus fidelium, the consensus of faith [67, 91-93, 785,904]. It is an "...instinctive sensitivity and discrimination which the members of the Church possess in Matters of faith."- Christopher O'Donnell, O.Carm., translator's note, Austin Flannery, editor, Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, Study Edition (Northport, NY: COstello Publishing Company, 1986), p. 363.

In that which the faithful hold in common to be the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH, THEY ARE INFALLIBLE and "CANNOT ERR IN MATTERS OF BELIEF". -Second Vatican Council, "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church", no. 12.

Just HOW are the "faithful" able to "infallibly recognize truth"? I can tell you this: THIS is how so many of the "faithful" cannot debate honestly and openly with the Scriptures and non-Catholics. They, in their own minds, are infallible and simply CANNOT be wrong.

15 posted on 04/29/2012 5:31:52 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: daniel1212; count-your-change; metmom; boatbums; caww; smvoice; presently no screen name; Quix; ...

The early church fathers only recognized one thing as infallible and that was the scriptures-and not the ones the Church has today. While they were busy creating the creeds of the church, the fathers never put those creeds to the same level as scripture although most would agree with them.

The term “infallibility” like many other convoluted doctrines of Rome is undefinable. They don’t know what it means but they’ll tell you when they see it. I wouldn’t hold your breathe for a list of “infallible” teachings.


20 posted on 04/29/2012 6:11:01 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: daniel1212

Revelation 18 will be infallibly fulfilled when Rome goes up in smoke in “one hour.”
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24 posted on 04/29/2012 9:05:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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