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To: metmom
"What on earth kind of reasoning is that?"

It only seems bizarre when considered in the absence of an understand of what divine and perfect love is.

"And how do you figure that Jesus would be willing to endure eternal torment for our sake?"

He loves me, divinely and perfectly.

"What's your Scriptural justification for that????"

You don't believe that Scripture says that God loves you?

"What's going to be the punishment for people who don't want God isn't being without Him; that's just giving them what they want..."

It is a very dark and hedonistic soteriology that puts the personal fear of the physical above the loss of the divine and believes that the Gospel must rely on threats and coercion to precipitate what should be selflessly given.

245 posted on 05/15/2012 11:36:52 AM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: Natural Law; boatbums
IOW, no Scriptural justification for it.

I didn't think so.

The comment about if we truly loved Jesus we would be willing to spend eternity in eternal torment for His sake is total nonsense.

Granted, it's a sentence, but still, sentences are supposed to mean something. That doesn't.

It is a very dark and hedonistic soteriology that puts the personal fear of the physical above the loss of the divine and believes that the Gospel must rely on threats and coercion to precipitate what should be selflessly given.

Well, you'll have to take that up with Jesus because He's the one that warned us more about hell and the eternal torment and the punishment for unbelief than He taught about heaven and the rewards for belief.

And it isn't nearly as twisted as some of the teachings about salvation that the Catholic church purports.

It may not have occurred to you yet, but *threatening* someone who doesn't want anything to do with God with an eternity without Him, is no threat to them. You still haven't explained how giving someone what they want is punishment to them. For the God hater, the punishment would be to spend eternity WITH Him.

Take out the eternal torment and there's no impetus for the non-believer to give a rip about the idea of spending eternity without God.

Spending eternity without God is only a deterrent to those who want to spend eternity WITH Him, and they're most likely going to be saved anyway.

247 posted on 05/15/2012 2:00:28 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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