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To: metmom
"The comment about if we truly loved Jesus we would be willing to spend eternity in eternal torment for His sake is total nonsense."

It is only nonsense to those who value their own creature comforts more than they do Him. I pray that your statement was only the product of anti-Catholic contrariness and not your true feelings.

"But above all these things is the being associated with the companies of angels and archangels, thrones and dominations, principalities and powers, and the enjoyment of the watches of all the celestial virtues—to behold the squadron of the saints, adorned with stars; the patriarchs, glittering with faith; the prophets, rejoicing in hope; the apostles, who in the twelve tribes of Israel, shall judge the whole world; the martyrs, decked with the purple diadems of victory; the virgins, also, with their wreaths of beauty. But of the King, who is in the midst, no words are able to speak. That beauty, that virtue, that glory, that magnificence, that majesty, surpasses every expression, every sense of the human mind. For it is greater than the glory of all saints; but to attain to that ineffable sight, and to be made radiant with the splendor of His countenance, it were worth while to suffer torment every day—it were worth while to endure hell itself for a season, so that we might behold Christ coming in glory, and be joined to the number of the saints; so is it not then well worth while to endure earthly sorrows, that we may be partakers of such good, and of such glory?" - St. Bede 710 AD

248 posted on 05/15/2012 2:44:42 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: Natural Law; metmom
It is only nonsense to those who value their own creature comforts more than they do Him. I pray that your statement was only the product of anti-Catholic contrariness and not your true feelings.

No, it IS nonsense and it has NOTHING at all to do with a person valuing creature comforts more than they do the Lord Jesus. The Apostle Paul spoke about how much he loved his fellow Jews - so much that if it were possible he would be accursed from Christ in their place (Romans 9:3). But, as we know FROM Scripture, God does not allow that and each person must make a decision about Christ for himself. So, I agree with Metmom, that imagining eternity in hell separated from Christ to somehow prove our love for him is nonsense. It may sound pious to some, but it is nonsense nonetheless.

Your quotation of Bede, BTW, does NOT address eternity in hell but "for a season" and he used the analogy to encourage us to endure whatever hardships in this present life for the glory that awaits those who are Christ's. He came that we may HAVE life and that abundantly.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

249 posted on 05/15/2012 3:24:55 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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