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To: Natural Law; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ...
Would you willingly suffer an eternity in the fire and brimstone of hell if it pleased God?

If it pleased God?!?!?! It doesn't please God to send anyone to hell. What kind of God do you serve? (No need to answer, really. I know what kind of god Catholics serve because that is the one I was taught about as a Catholics and the one I rejected for the true God, the one of the Bible who is as He knows Himself to be, not a lopsided construct used to cow people into submission to a church.)

*if it pleased God*...... That's a false premise if there ever was one. A hypothetical question that has no basis in reality, but Catholics do love to play the pious martyr, don't they? I guess it comes from all that Catholic teaching that somehow we can earn forgiveness by self-abasement and suffering for God enough, as if our suffering can remit sins and please God.

Well, any god that our suffering pleases is not the God of the Bible.

And Catholics wonder why people reject the Catholic God.

If the answer is no then your understanding of love is hypothetical and your love of God is conditional and incomplete.

Not as incomplete as the understanding of God that someone could actually think up something so ludicrous.

EVERYBODY'S love of God is conditional and incomplete. No human is capable of the kind of love and devotion to God that He deserves and anyone who claims otherwise is deceiving themselves. It's only through the work of the Holy Spirit in us that enables us to be or do anything that pleases God.

254 posted on 05/15/2012 7:50:48 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Well, any god that our suffering pleases is not the God of the Bible."

"Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." - Matthew 16:24, Luke 9:23

I do have to say that you have a unique ability to turn every discussion into a gratuitous attack upon the Church. It saddens me to think that you derive some perverse pleasure and satisfaction from it. Insulting me and the Church is not helping convince anyone of your Christianity and only evokes my pity and prayers. Whatever injury you may have suffered at the hands of Catholics and those acting in the name of the Church you would best serve yourself and God by finding a way to forgive.

For all of the postings you have made the one thing that is clear is that you were extremely poorly Catechised or have an extremely vivid imagination. I would only hope that you would learn the actual doctrines and history of the Church and base your criticism on fact and not fancy. Those within the Church need to hear legitimate and constructive criticism, but your attacks only cloud the real problems in vitriol.

Peace be with you.

255 posted on 05/15/2012 8:59:38 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: metmom
EVERYBODY'S love of God is conditional and incomplete. No human is capable of the kind of love and devotion to God that He deserves and anyone who claims otherwise is deceiving themselves. It's only through the work of the Holy Spirit in us that enables us to be or do anything that pleases God.

AMEN!!! Why isn't it enough for some people to deal with reality as God tells us in Holy Scripture? Why the need to "out-holy" another or try to sound oh-so-much-more-pious-than-thee based on imagined scenarios or hypotheticals? There were theologians that actually argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other such nonsense! I can imagine God laughing in derision at some of them.

I join you in praising God that He also led me into the truth of His nature and out of a false religion that twisted it. We love Him because He first loved us.

256 posted on 05/15/2012 9:43:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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