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To: Lee N. Field
You attempted to use a response I made to an article as some "evidence" that I believe that there is more than one way to salvation.

You have to understand that, when it involves me, you will be called out on your misrepresentations and lame attempts to "prove" you are right by posting a response I made without addressing the subject matter or context that the response was made to.

I didn't expect you to be able to refute the article for many reasons, first of which is the fact that you would be required to deal with Scripture that you have had to discard and deny to make your "doctrines" work.

Anyone who may be interested can go to the original post and read the article and come away not only with an understanding of how people will be saved during the Tribulation and the requirements God has for one holding on to their salvation during the Tribulation, but also with a clear understanding that your posts are simply not to be taken seriously.

42 posted on 05/02/2012 4:01:36 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The article in its error misidentifies just who “Israel” is in God's sight. Hence the full import of the prophecies of Israel's restoration are misunderstood.

For example, both Jeremiah's and Ezekiel's prophecies of the restoration of Israel and Judah foretold what would take place after the Jews returned from Babylon. The land would be filled, the temple rebuilt, etc. and these things did, in fact, occur.

But the N.T. makes the point that there was a larger and even more significant fulfillment of these prophecies involving not an earthly kingdom but the heavenly one.

It was on heavenly thrones that the apostles and others chosen would rule and act as kings and priests over the whole earth, not a small portion in the Middle East.(Rev. 20:4-7)

Another example of the authors misunderstanding of the Scriptures is the statement:

“Believing Gentiles cannot be incorporated into Israel because Paul says they are now part of a new structure—the new man.”

But Paul says exactly the opposite! In Romans 11:17-24 Paul uses the olive tree as an illustration. He says the natural olive tree, Israel, had branches lopped off due to lack of faith and that the Romans though of wild stock had been grafted in to become part of that tree.
If God was willing to lop off the natural branches for their lack of faith how much more so the Romans for lack of faith.
And should those natural branches, Israelites, show faith they could be grafted back in again.

Jesus said the kingdom would be taken from the Jewish nation and given to a nation, spiritual Israel with its king/priests in heaven, producing its fruits.

The author of this article simply cannot bring forward a coherent understanding of whom God views as “Israel” or what His kingdom is.

43 posted on 05/02/2012 6:01:15 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Bookmark for later when I can pick myself up off the floor and respond with clarity and Scripture. I cannot believe some of the replies I’m reading here...


44 posted on 05/02/2012 6:23:43 AM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The article in its error misidentifies just who “Israel” is in God's sight. Hence the full import of the prophecies of Israel's restoration are misunderstood.

For example, both Jeremiah's and Ezekiel's prophecies of the restoration of Israel and Judah foretold what would take place after the Jews returned from Babylon. The land would be filled, the temple rebuilt, etc. and these things did, in fact, occur.

But the N.T. makes the point that there was a larger and even more significant fullfillment of these prophecies involving not an earthly kingdom but the heavenly one.

It was on heavenly thrones that the apostles and others chosen would rule and act as kings and priests over the whole earth, not a small portion in the Middle East.(Rev. 20:4-7)

Another example of the authors misunderstanding of the Scriptures is the statement:

“Believing Gentiles cannot be incorporated into Israel because Paul says they are now part of a new structure—the new man.”

But Paul says exactly the opposite! In Romans 11:17-24 Paul uses the olive tree as an illustration. He says the natural olive tree, Israel, had branches lopped off due to lack of faith and that the Romans though of wild stock had been grafted in to become part of that tree.
If God was willing to lop off the natural branches for their lack of faith how much more so the Romans for lack of faith.
And should those natural branches, Israelites, show faith they could be grafted back in again.

Jesus said the kingdom would be taken from the Jewish nation and given to a nation, spiritual Israel with its king/priests in heaven, producing its fruits.

The author of this article simply cannot bring forward a coherent understanding of whom God views as “Israel” or what His kingdom is.

45 posted on 05/02/2012 6:26:29 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
You attempted to use a response I made to an article as some "evidence" that I believe that there is more than one way to salvation.

I calls 'em as I sees 'em. The message changes, the gospel changes. It's disturbing that a Christian would even think this.

I didn't expect you to be able to refute the article for many reasons, first of which is the fact that you would be required to deal with Scripture that you have had to discard and deny to make your "doctrines" work.

Scriptures like Galatians 3:29?

Why should I try? I'll just get hissed at.

81 posted on 05/03/2012 7:21:10 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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