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To: BroJoeK
If you have any questions about what constitutes the boundary that has not been demonstrated by you or by anyone to be ever crossed by "evolution", I'd be happy to explain.

The definition of the boundary is in my post 176.

In the same post you will find a description of an experiment that could falsify the boundary hypothesis.

This is, by the way how science is done: by advancing a falsifiable hypothesis and then seeing if it matches all the observed facts. Not by adapting definitions to suit the available evidence, pretend that observable facts (namely, selection inside species and evolution of primitive creatures) miraculously prove hypothesis that reach beyond these observable facts, and refer to authority when your magic tricks are called into question. Evolution is a pseudo-science, -- a cult.

180 posted on 06/01/2012 6:05:21 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
annalex: "The definition of the boundary is in my post 176."

There is no serious definition of a biological "boundary" in post 176.

Even the alleged "experiment" intended to "falsify" an idea that is not even defined -- your "experiment" is ridiculous since, among other reasons:

  1. it cannot be completed in any reasonable time period for large organisms,
  2. has long since been disproved among rapidly reproducing small organisms, and
  3. includes no explanation why mechanisms for one should not long-term apply to the other.

What can be done on larger creatures is detailed analysis, using living examples, of exactly what causes speciation -- why do some breeds and sub-species interbreed readily, while others do not?
When precisely does interbreeding begin to become difficult, and when exactly does it become impossible?

It would be interesting to learn, and conclusions are totally obvious: the more identical are DNAs of breeds or sub-species, the easier it is to interbreed.
Correspondingly, the more DNA mutations separating one species from another, the more difficult and finally impossible will be attempts to interbreed them.

And once we estimate, from careful observation, the average rate of mutations per generation (i.e., circa 50 in humans), then it is possible to calculate how many mutations and generations of separation are needed to make interbreeding impossible, species by species.

annalex: "This is, by the way how science is done: by advancing a falsifiable hypothesis and then seeing if it matches all the observed facts."

You need to spend more time studying the definition of scientific method:

The scientific Theory of Evolution meets all of these tests.
The "annalex species boundary" meets none of them.

annalex: "Not by adapting definitions to suit the available evidence, pretend that observable facts (namely, selection inside species and evolution of primitive creatures) miraculously prove hypothesis that reach beyond these observable facts, and refer to authority when your magic tricks are called into question.
Evolution is a pseudo-science, -- a cult."

As always, here you deny the first verified fact in evolution: descent with modifications.
So your words, especially "cult", do describe the alleged "annalex species boundary", but not the scientific Theory of Evolution.

Indeed, legitimate references to "scientific authority" are simply reports on peer-reviewed work completed over many years.
That's how real science works.

So what is your problem with science?


181 posted on 06/03/2012 7:48:52 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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