Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
“How so? Isn’t this what the RC’s have been insisting on?”
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Hi bonfire,
Many, many Protestant ministers will concede the Bible is
a Catholic book. Non-Catholics here won’t say it. Post
1224 was ignored, not a word said. Reject Prophecy, that’s
not wise. I’ll post it again. God’s plan, His desire
that we all believe the same, yes?
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An excerpt, a translation, this is God’s plan, He is going
to show every person, all of humanity, just remember if you say no now. I put in CAPS two sentences.
Message to Darly Chagas
It is Coming the Hour, Correct Yourselves
Easter Sunday
April 8, 2012
Mary, Full of Grace:
...Pray, pray, pray for the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI, for all the Clergy, for the religious men and women, for all mankind. Pray for the atheists and pagans, they think that God will give up from them, but He will not, for God nothing is impossible, He calls all until the last minute and gives opportunities, only will lose it those who do not want the Salvation of their souls, those who love more the sin than God. Pray for the Holy Church founded by Jesus Christ, ONLY WHO WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS CHURCH WILL SURVIVE FOREVER. For He, Jesus Christ and His Church is the Church founded on earth that is represented by the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI so far. Does not advance for the world to want to undo this determination, ALL THE CHURCHES THAT ARE NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE HOLY FATHER THE POPE, WILL FALL. But, does not advance anybody thinking that this will not happen. Who rules the world is only God and He bears witness to what He talks. Will survive the Foundation of the Church of Jesus Christ. He will gather His followers. Help the Holy Father at this time of great change in the world...
The feeling is basically mutual, negative and positive, but with no real positive for Rome being the supreme authority Scripture is. God be blessed.
It's called ‘handling the word aright (rightly dividing)’ to the end that we have what Paul called “epignosis”.
I can't match an ability to speak for most Christians and everyone in heaven so I'll go back to Salza, the “seer”s attempt to find in the Greek grammar ‘a new substance’.
“What are you saying brother, translation? I am serious.”
Thank you for reminding me. If you wish to know what I'm saying, reread the post.
“Where do you get the authority to say, sometimes Jesus is speaking literally in John 6 when He
says “flesh” and other times the word “flesh” is only
a symbol, a metaphor.”
It’s called ‘handling the word aright (rightly dividing)’ to the end that we have what Paul called “epignosis”
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“E pig nosis”, excuse me?
Everything you...*know*...of Christ came from the Church.
“I can’t match an ability to speak for most Christians and everyone in heaven”...
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Too bad CYC, most Christians are Roman Catholic.
No matter their belief here, Christian or non-Christian, absolutely, everyone in Heaven is Roman Catholic.
Juice and and cracker or receive Christ Himself, I know what I would choose.
Talk to me after the Great Warning, I’ll help you.
There is precious little on the internet about the Catholic church’s decision to withhold the cup, and a lot more of them patting themselves on the back for allowing it now.
Seems like they aren’t particularly anxious for anyone to know.
Since when? Which ones? Sources and stats? Otherwise, I don't believe you, because it's certainly nothing I've ever heard anyone admit to in all my years in non-Catholic circles. It's more like wishful thinking on the part of Catholics than fact.
Post 1224 was ignored, not a word said. Reject Prophecy, that’s not wise. I’ll post it again. God’s plan, His desire that we all believe the same, yes?
It was ignored because it was easily recognized as the tripe that it is. I certainly don't see a lot of other Catholics rushing to its defense either. For that matter, I don't recall seeing one Catholic post anything in support of your so-called prophecies. They've been ignoring them as the embarrassment that they are.
Another one gc. And more at the post.
“No matter their belief here, Christian or non-Christian, absolutely, everyone in Heaven is Roman Catholic.”
Thanks, stpio.
I needed the laugh tonight.
Wow, emo-kid!
“E pig nosis”, excuse me?”
No, I can’t see any excuse for such comments, perhaps it would be best if you tried serious.
Some other RCs believe we must convert to Rome before death to be saved, among other attempts to reconcile modern teaching of post secular force empowered Rome with historical papal statements that restricts salvation to formal members of Rome.
So there you have it, another RC who believes that everyone, Christian and non-Christian, will be in Heaven.
Actually, i think he disagrees with the Cardinal below*, in believing that somehow any who make it to Heaven will do so because they had a postmortem conversion, but without having to make their first communion, etc., perhaps in purgatory (but which presumes non-Christians were effectively Christian before they died), and which Ratzinger says may be involve “existential” rather than “temporal” duration (cf. Ratzinger’s book, Eschatology). It may be someone one experiences, but experiences in a moment.
*Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor, the head of the Roman Catholic in England and Wales recently expressed his hope and belief that God will save all people in an interview he gave for the Catholic Herald.
In an interview with The Catholic Herald this week, the Cardinal reveals his optimism for mankind as he sets out his vision of both heaven and hell.
Hell, he implies, may even be empty – conforming with Our Lord’s wish to save all souls. And heaven is a place where believers and non- believers may meet.
Q: And hell?
A: We’re not bound to believe that anybody’s there, let’s face it. But certainly in the Scriptures there’s a stark confrontation between heaven and hell.
But when Jesus talks about hell, it’s also exhorting people to repent, to turn away. It is in the context not of “you will be damned”, but “repent and turn to God”. I believe that hell exists and it is really the absence of God...
I cannot think of heaven without thinking of being in communion with all the saints and with all the people I’ve loved on this earth.
Q: It is sometimes said that there will be a separate heaven for Bavarians because they would not be in a state of eternal happiness if they had to share heaven with the Prussians. Will Catholics and Protestants be together in heaven?
A: I hope they won’t be separate. I think that the divisions manifest here on earth will be reconciled in some mysterious way in heaven. I’m not thinking just of Catholics and Protestants, but people of other faiths and people of no faith. We are all children of God.
Q: So we shouldn’t be surprised if we were to meet in heaven someone who was a Muslim or an atheist on earth?
A: I hope I will be surprised in heaven... I think I will be. www.romancatholicism.org/cormac-apokatastasis.htm
Pray for the Holy Church founded by Jesus Christ, ONLY WHO WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS CHURCH WILL SURVIVE FOREVER. For He, Jesus Christ and His Church is the Church founded on earth that is represented by the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI so far. Does not advance for the world to want to undo this determination, ALL THE CHURCHES THAT ARE NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE HOLY FATHER THE POPE, WILL FALL.So is this supposed "seer" saying only those formal members of the RC church will be saved, see heaven, "SURVIVE FOREVER"?
Isnt that against formal Roman teaching where all religions have a chance at heaven?
Pray for the Holy Church founded by Jesus Christ, ONLY WHO WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS CHURCH WILL SURVIVE FOREVER. For He, Jesus Christ and His Church is the Church founded on earth that is represented by the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI so far. Does not advance for the world to want to undo this determination, ALL THE CHURCHES THAT ARE NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE HOLY FATHER THE POPE, WILL FALL.So is this supposed "seer" saying only those formal members of the RC church will be saved, see heaven, "SURVIVE FOREVER"?
Isnt that against formal Roman teaching where all religions have a chance at heaven?
Perhaps you are looking in the wrong place. You should be looking in the Bible.
"I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh." - John 6:51
The Church teaches that Christ is contained whole and entire under each species; so that whoever communicates under the form of bread or of wine receives not a mutilated Sacrament or a divided Savior, but shares in the whole Sacrament as fully as if he participated in both forms.
From this passage it is evident that whoever partakes of the form of bread partakes of the living flesh of Jesus Christ, which is inseparable from His blood, and which, being now in a glorious state, cannot be divided;
"For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. – Romans 6:9
With the exception of the last supper and His agony in the garden, Jesus makes no reference to the sacramental cup, but only to the Eucharistic bread, to which He ascribes all the efficacy which is attached to communion under both kinds, these being union with Him, spiritual life, eternal salvation.
Similarly, St. Paul, in his letters to the Corinthians, said:
"Whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord." – 1 Corinthians 11:27
Peace be with you
In an interview with The Catholic Herald this week, the Cardinal reveals his optimism for mankind as he sets out his vision of both heaven and hell.
Hell, he implies, may even be empty – conforming with Our Lord’s wish to save all souls. And heaven is a place where believers and non- believers may meet.
And what denomination ordained this guy and promoted him to level of bishop again?
I think this is another batch for YOUR list of what Catholics are free to believe or disagree with.
So much for unity of faith and fidelity to church doctrine.
Which proves nothing because those verses don’t give any justification for changing the way communion is celebrated.
Jesus gave the disciples BOTH the bread and cup.
The bread is for the remembrance of His broken body. The cup for His shed blood.
It’s very interesting that the Catholic church removed the part that remembers the blood sacrifice because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.
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