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1 posted on 06/02/2012 7:46:21 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
Don Boys, Ph.D.

I don't imagine that Dr. Boys earned his Ph.D in the use of paragraphs, punctuation and coherency.

2 posted on 06/02/2012 7:55:36 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: John Leland 1789

Spanking children with wooden objects hardly seems likely to be an issue we all embrace. This oiece is a bit overwrought.


3 posted on 06/02/2012 8:00:17 PM PDT by cajungirl
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I wonder what what he would do to people who teach the crap of the Koran?


5 posted on 06/02/2012 8:14:13 PM PDT by factmart
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I wonder what what he would do to people who teach the crap of the Koran?


6 posted on 06/02/2012 8:29:28 PM PDT by factmart
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To: John Leland 1789

So, a preacher who teaches the Bible, wherein it infers that sparing the rod spoils the child, cannot advise paddling an errant child?
Is the judge prepared to try Biblical figures, such as Isahia or Jesus in abstentia for their teachings or the tenets of their faith?
Perhaps the judge will seek to ban the Bible for teaching what she opposes.


7 posted on 06/02/2012 8:31:40 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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Only the beginning. Europe and Canada are already imprisoning preachers and homeschool parents.


13 posted on 06/02/2012 9:15:11 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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WI Ping


16 posted on 06/02/2012 9:55:49 PM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: John Leland 1789

If the pastor was preaching murder you surely wouldn’t advocate a first amendment right to practice murder would you? Child abuse can not be overlooked just because the abuser has a religious belief. Just as polygamy has been outlawed and other various types of practices.


18 posted on 06/02/2012 10:36:21 PM PDT by Nifster
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“A Black Earth pastor was found guilty Wednesday of eight counts of conspiracy to commit child abuse for advocating the use of wooden rods to spank children as young as two months.

A Dane County jury took only about two hours to find Philip Caminiti, 54, pastor of the Aleitheia Bible Church, guilty of having instructed members of his flock to punish children as young as infants and toddlers by striking them on the bare buttocks with wood dowels in order to teach them to behave correctly, fitting the church’s literal interpretation of the Bible.”

This is an obscene reading of the vibe. People like this try and use the ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’ argument. The problem is that they do not understand the meaning of the words. The rod is the rod of justice which every ruler held in their hand as an indication of their position not a beating tool. The admonish is to teach your children well to train them in the Lord’s ways...NOT to beat them into submission. That type of submission is found in things like Sharia law not the Bible.

The bigger problem is that so many ‘churches’ have folks leading them with NO knowledge of the original languages or history of the area. They miss much because they are ignorant and refuse to learn

This blog suffers from the same ignorance


21 posted on 06/02/2012 10:44:09 PM PDT by Nifster
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May 26, 2011:

Wisconsin Church Members Charged With Abusing Infants

The pastor and seven members of a small church in central Wisconsin have been charged with using wooden rods to spank infants as young as 2 months old for "being emotional, grumpy or crying," the Dane County Sheriff's office said.

The Aleitheia Bible Church, in the town of Black Earth, was started in 2006 with a donation in the range of $500,000-$600,000 from Bob and Lori Wick of nearby Mazomanie, according to a news release from the sheriff's office.

Lori Wick is the author of almost three dozen historical Christian novels with more than five million books in print, according to her Amazon profile. Reached by AOL News today by telephone at their home, Bob Wick said they "have no comment" on the case.

Publicists at Lori Wick's publisher, Harvest House Publishers, did not immediately respond to emails from AOL News today for comment.

Philip Caminiti, left, the pastor of Aleitheia Bible Church in Black Earth, Wis., and his brother, John Caminiti, 45, have been charged with a dozen counts of child abuse for allegedly using wooden rods to punish children. The investigation into the Aleitheia Bible Church began last November, when former members contacted authorities with concerns about how children were being treated, according to the sheriff's office.

Six church members pleaded innocent to charges of child abuse during an appearance Thursday in Dane County Circuit Court. They were booked and released.

Pastor Philip Caminiti, 53, and his brother, John Caminiti, 45, were charged with a dozen counts of child abuse last week and also pleaded innocent.

The victims included 12 children ranging in age from infancy to 6 years old, according to the sheriff's office.

"During interviews with detectives, Phil expressed his belief that the Bible dictates the use of a rod over a hand to punish children. He stated that children only a few months old are 'worthy' of the rod and that by 'one and a half months,' a child is old enough to be spanked," according to the sheriff's office release.

"Throughout the investigation, the church members were open with detectives about their 'Spare the rod, spoil the child' philosophy. They described using wooden dowels and wooden spoons on the bare skin of children, starting as young as 2 months old," the sheriff's office said.

"If you spank early and it is done right, then kids will be happy and obedient," Philip Caminiti said, according to the criminal complaint.

According to the sheriff's office, the dowels were described as being 12-18 inches long with a diameter about the size of a quarter. The parents told detectives that "redness and bruising" were the "common effects of the spankings."

"One person described the children being emotional, grumpy or crying as behaviors that would constitute a spanking with a dowel," according to the sheriff's office.

Three sets of parents are among the six others charged, including two of Philip Caminiti's children and their spouses: Matthew Caminiti, 27, and his wife, Alina, 24; and Maria J. Stephenson, 29, and her husband, Timothy, 28. Also charged are Andrea L. Wick, 26, and Timothy J. Wick, 27.

The children often were punished when they cried or failed to sit still during church services, a former church member told authorities. "Phil was very strict about children being quiet during church," the complaint states.

John Caminiti told investigators in November that he does not allow his family to communicate with people outside his religious beliefs and has punished his wife and son by confining them to their rooms until they corrected their disobedience, according to the Wisconsin State Journal.

Attorney Jeffrey W. Nichols, who represents Alina Caminiti, described his client as a "caring mother who loves her children," according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

"I believe it is important to note that the children have never been removed from her or her husband's care despite these allegations and despite some unfair characterizations of her," he said.

All the children of the parents charged are remaining in their homes and the families are working with social workers from Dane County Human Services, the sheriff's office said.

I'm not going to take an MSM news article at face value, but it does paint a little different picture than the one presented by Dr. Boys.

Spanking a 1-1/2 month old infant doesn't work for me. Ever.

28 posted on 06/03/2012 2:29:21 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: John Leland 1789

Pro 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.

Pro 23:14 If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.


34 posted on 06/03/2012 5:10:18 AM PDT by HarleyD
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There’s got to be more to this story or else this pastor had the worst lawyer in creation.


36 posted on 06/03/2012 6:01:46 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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