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To: Colofornian
Why are you putting words in my mouth with a false quote? (I didn't say that...are you quoting somebody else...or was it just more convenient for you to create a straw man because you can't or won't more fully answer the Q?)

Hold your horses! That was ejonesie22 I was quoting, and I assumed you would have figured that out based on the ordering of the usernames on that reply, which includes ejonesie22 first, and then you.

If you're not theistic, then what does all this matter to you re: how many gods there are? (Apparently, it doesn't)

Nonsense. Do you believe first and then raise doubts? I prefer to clarify my doubts before taking a premise as fact. One of the doubts here is whom was Jesus praying to, if God and Jesus are one. It is meaningless, and I haven't yet received a convincing answer to solve this absurdity of an entity praying to itself.

126 posted on 06/13/2012 12:08:21 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Hold your horses! That was ejonesie22 I was quoting, and I assumed you would have figured that out based on the ordering of the usernames on that reply, which includes ejonesie22 first, and then you.

(OK, I did figure that out after I posted my response...sorry...I did jump the gun)

131 posted on 06/13/2012 12:14:13 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: James C. Bennett; ejonesie22
Do you believe first and then raise doubts?

Sometimes, yes.

For example, if you asked all brides -- or especially all grooms -- to clarify or even rid themselves of all significant doubts before they marry, who would?

(That's not to say that doubts don't need to be addressed head-on re: either marriage or faith...hence, my "sometimes" response)

One of the doubts here is whom was Jesus praying to, if God and Jesus are one.

OK...again...let me go back to the human dimension:

The word "intercourse" means both normal (verbal) communication as well as sexual communication. During sexual intercourse, a man and woman are "one."

We have here the "what" -- and the "who": The what dimension includes...
...the bodily communication process,
...a depiction of their genetic humanity fit together,
...and their very human oneness.

The who dimension includes TWO people -- TWO personalities -- a man and a woman.

Now, let's apply the SAME dimension breakdown to Jesus praying to His Father:

The what dimension includes...
...the communication process (praying),
...a depiction of their genetic divinity acting in concert together,
...and their very divine oneness.

The who dimension includes TWO divine PERSONS -- TWO personalities -- the Divine Father and the Divine Son.

If God is the Designer-Creator, we would expect some of the above images of Him to be at least a bit reflected in humanity. In the above, we see that.

My challenge then, to you is: If the above can be true for a man and woman acting in concert as intimately one; if Jesus says a man and woman in marriage are NO LONGER TWO -- but one; then how much MORE can the Divine God (the what...the essence...the substance) be Three Persons (the Who) acting in concert as One???

If you are married, James, you and your wife are of the same essence or substance -- humanity -- despite your differences in sex and personality. You are essentially ONE -- Jesus says.

So how is that meaningless and absurd? You don't say, "Well, since my wife and I are of the same essence -- a single humanity -- how could we possibly communicate with each other?"

134 posted on 06/13/2012 12:30:36 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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