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To: Titanites

So, if you’re depending on your good works to get you in, how do you know you did enough?

And how do you know you did the right ones?

What if you come up short?

What kind of God do you serve who would leave you hanging like that in regard to your salvation and would let you come up short and send you to hell for it?


178 posted on 06/15/2012 4:15:29 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
So, if you’re depending on your good works to get you in, how do you know you did enough?

It is not a matter of quantity, it is a matter of persevering, as Paul states:

    Romans 2:7 ... eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality

    Philipp 2:12 ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

And how do you know you did the right ones?

By the teaching of the Church and its Scripture.

What if you come up short?

If you don't persevere to the end, you will have no salvation.

What kind of God do you serve who would leave you hanging like that in regard to your salvation and would let you come up short and send you to hell for it?

If you do not persevere, it is not due to the fault of God.

182 posted on 06/15/2012 5:06:23 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr
What kind of God do you serve who would leave you hanging like that in regard to your salvation and would let you come up short and send you to hell for it?

A just God. There is no guarantee of salvation as can be seen by anyone familiar with the Scriptures:

    Rom. 5:2 - we rejoice in the “hope” (not the presumptuous certainty) of sharing the glory of God. If salvation is absolutely assured after accepting Jesus as Savior, why would Paul hope?

    Rom. 5:5 - this “hope” does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit. Our hope is assured if we persevere to the end.

    Rom. 8:24 - this “hope” of salvation that Paul writes about is unnecessary if salvation is guaranteed. If salvation is assured, then why hope?

    Rom. 10:1 - Paul prays that the Jews “may be saved.” Why pray if it’s guaranteed? Further, why pray unless you can mediate?

    Rom. 12:12 - rejoice in your “hope” (not your certainty), be patient in tribulation, and be constant in prayer.

    2 Cor. 3:12 - since we have a “hope” (not a certainty), we are very bold. We can be bold when we are in God’s grace and our persevering in obedient faith.

    Gal. 5:5 - for through the Spirit by faith we wait for the “hope” (not the certainty) of righteousness.

    Eph. 1:18 - that you may know what is the “hope” to which He has called you, what are the riches of His glorious inheritance.

    Eph. 4:4 - there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one “hope” (not the one certainty) that belongs to your call.

    Eph. 6:10-17 – Paul instructs the Ephesians to take the whole armor of God, the breastplate of righteousness, and the helmet of salvation, in order “to stand,” lest they fall. Paul does not give any assurance that the spiritual battle is already won.

    Phil. 3:11 - Paul shares Christ’s sufferings so that “if possible” he may attain resurrection. Paul does not view his own resurrection as a certainty.

    Phil. 1:20 - as it is my eager expectation and “hope” (not certainty) that I shall not be at all ashamed before Christ.

    Col. 1:5 - Paul refers to the “hope” (not guarantee) that Christ laid up for us in heaven.

    Col. 1:23 - provided that you continue in the faith, not shifting from the “hope” of the gospel which you heard.

    Col. 1:27 - to them God chose to make known His mystery, which is Christ in you, the “hope” (not the certainty) of His glory.

    1 Thess. 1:3 - remembering before our God your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of “hope” in Jesus Christ.

    1 Thess. 2:19 - for what is our “hope” or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord Jesus at his coming? Is it not you?

    1 Thess. 5:8 - we must put on the helmet of “hope” (not of certainty) of salvation.

    2 Thess. 2:16 - the Lord Jesus and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good “hope” through grace.

    1 Tim. 1:1 - Paul describes Christ Jesus as our “hope” (not our guarantee). We can reject Him and He will allow this.

    1 Tim. 4:10 - Paul says we toil and strive because we have our “hope” (not our assurance) on the living God. This is not because God is unfaithful, but because we can be unfaithful. We toil and strive for our salvation.

    1 Tim. 5:5 - she who is a real widow, and is left all alone, has set her “hope” (not her assurance) on God. Our hope is a guarantee only if we persevere to the end.

    1 Tim. 5:15 – Paul writes that some have already strayed after satan, as God Himself tells us in 1 Tim. 4:1. They were on the right path, and then strayed off of it.

    2 Tim. 2:10 - Paul endures for the elect so that they “may also obtain salvation.” This verse teaches us that even the “elect,” from the standpoint of human knowledge, have no guarantee of salvation.

    Titus 1:2 - Paul says that he is in the “hope” (not the certainty) of eternal life. Paul knows that his hope is a guarantee if he perseveres, but his ability to choose sin over God makes his attainment of eternal life less than an absolute certainty until it is actually achieved.

    Titus 2:13 - awaiting our blessed “hope,” the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Titus 3:7 - Paul says we have been given the Spirit so we might become heirs in the “hope” (not the certainty) of eternal life.

    Heb. 3:6 - we are Christ’s house if we hold fast our confidence and pride in our “hope” (not our certainty).

    Heb. 6:11 - we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness in realizing the full assurance of “hope” (not certainty) until the end.

    Heb. 6:18 - we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to seize the “hope” (not the certainty) that is set before us.

    Heb. 6:19 - we have a “hope” that enters into the inner shrine behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone before us.

    Heb. 7:19 - on the other hand, a better “hope” (not certainty) is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

    Heb. 10:23 - let us hold fast the confession of our “hope” without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

    Heb. 11:1 - now faith is the assurance of things “hoped” for (not guaranteed), the conviction of things not seen (heaven).

    Heb. 12:1 – let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us.

    Heb. 12:15 – see to it that no one fail to obtain the grace of God; that no root of bitterness spring up and cause trouble, and by it many become defiled.

    James 1:12 - we must endure trial and withstand the test in order to receive the crown of life. It is not guaranteed.

    1 Peter 1:3 - by His mercy we have been born anew to a living “hope” through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

    1 Peter 1:13 - set your “hope” (not assurance) fully upon the grace that is coming to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    1 Peter 1:21 - through Him you have confidence in God, who raised him from the dead so that your faith and “hope” are in God.

    1 Peter 2:2 - like newborn babes, long for spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up to salvation. How can you grow up to something you already possess?

    1 Peter 3:15 - always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the “hope” that is in you.

    1 John 3:3 - and everyone who thus “hopes” in Him purifies himself as He is pure. These verses teach us that we must cooperate with God’s grace and persevere to the end to be saved. We can and do have a moral certitude of salvation if we persevere in faith, hope and love.

    Scriptures verses and commentary conveniently plagiarized from a post by MarkBsnr.

Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
188 posted on 06/15/2012 5:50:22 PM PDT by Titanites
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