The Bible is very clear on the plan of salvation. God offers us this gift, we can take it or not. If God forces it on us, then it is not a gift. Calvinism, begone!
(Flame suit donned)
It is therefore entirely possible that Christ died for no one, since it is possible that everyone could exercise free will to say, “no.”
It is therefore entirely possible that Christ died for no one, since it is possible that everyone could exercise free will to say, “no.”
Your debate opponent is right also, but the chances of this actually happening is considerably less than my chances of buying the ticket which hits the Powerball jackpot with $2.
Question for those at the convention :
Is God sovereign or not?
If He says “jump”, do we say “how high” or do we say “no”?
(Another Example:
He hardened Pharaoh’s heart for a reason)
I wouldnt characterize myself as a 5 point type, however, how much “choice” do I have with something that God has foreknowledge of?
“If God forces it on us, then it is not a gift. Calvinism, begone!”
I am not flaming you, buddygirl, but that is a misrepresentation of Calvinist theology. If you are going to argue against it, define it honestly.
“Calvinism” says that God’s grace is irresistible. “For who has resisted His will?” (Romans 9:19). To characterize that as “forcing” is not accurate.
“The Bible is very clear on the plan of salvation. God offers us this gift, we can take it or not. If God forces it on us, then it is not a gift.”
The gospel is a command, not an offer.
You overestimate your natural ability and underestimate His holiness.
The Bible is very clear on the plan of salvation. God offers us this gift, we can take it or not. If God forces it on us, then it is not a gift. Calvinism, begone!
I guess God never knocked Paul off his horse and blinded him....God must be liar. It is a gift after He chose us before the foundation of the world and changed our stoney heart. In our sinful state, there is no way an evil carnal man would ever choose Christ....The bible says God IS become my Salvation....Hello?
Don't you remember the Angel of the Lord fighting with Jacob? Jacob was pretty much being shown Who was God. God was adamant that Jacob do His will so God's plan for the world (Christ) could come to pass.
Then there's the example of Paul being knocked down and struck blind by God. I would call that irresistable grace.
Did Moses choose God or did God reveal Himself in the burning bush? Moses didn't seem too thrilled to be chosen...but God insisted.
Salvation is purely a gift...we in no way earn it (though sometimes God's grace is so gently given we think we choose Him).
So if God wants us to be Saved but we can thwart His desires, who is really in change of Salvation? It sounds like we are in charge. We do the Saving.