Posted on 06/29/2012 3:15:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
You wrote:
“Fixing every individual in a vast nation is impossible, working on a single denomination that is our largest denomination, is doable”
Yiour ignorance of the Church is showing yet again. The Church is not a denomination. Only Protestants have denominations. Also, no ignorant layperson from a Protestant sect is even remotely capable of influencing let alone “working” on the Church. You will live and die, and the Church will remain forever.
“The Catholic church creates pro-abortion voting liberals, and America is importing more Catholics, for conservatism to survive we need to fix the Catholic vote.”
The Catholic Church does not create “pro-abortion voting liberals”. They create themselves by siding AGAINST Church teaching and practice. They become like Protestants in essence because almost all Protestants are de fact pro-abortion.
“Over and over I see posters on this thread that are here at a conservative site, yet have zero interest in advancing conservatism in America, the indication is that conservatism is the enemy of even many republican Catholics.”
What you see clearly is not what is. Having an active imagination won’t help you see the truth. I stated the facts. They’re irrefutable: 170,000,000 Protestants; Carter - Protestant; Clinton - Protestant; Gore - Protestant divinity school drop out; Obama - Protestant.
The Democrat party is not perfectly aligned with any particular church of course, no party is, but it best represents Catholicism and that is why it shares much of their agenda for America and the vote of it’s members.
Obama won 54% of the Catholic vote because he reflects their politics and goals for what they believe we should change into, a fight to change America that has been going on for more than a century.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Still waiting for the conservative part to show up.
This isn’t DU.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I have never asserted it before nor been asked to substantiate it. All information can be found and verified at http://www.archives.gov/research/military. You will have to search by specific war, though. Do you deny its veracity?
For the record, where and when did you serve?
Peace be with you.
I did not assign motive, although we can all guess what it is. I only summarized what had already been demonstrated.
Well don’t post them then.
That is completely false. Obama got 19 million Catholic votes from a population of over 68 million. That is 27%, not 54%.
You ought to be more concerned about the 50 million non-Catholic votes cast for Obama than trying to mischaracterize the 50 million Catholic votes he did not receive.
Pax vobiscum
You didn't answer where or when you served. Sunshine patriot?
In the real world we count voters and measure what percentage of them vote in which way.
If one wants to count people that are eligible to vote but don’t bother to, I think research would show them to be even more liberal than the voters that do show up.
If all baptized Catholics voted it would probably vastly raise Obama’s percentage of 54% of the Catholic vote to something truly astronomical, we have to pray that Catholics stay home.
Wow, talk about going way off topic.
My military experience has nothing to do with this crisis in America of the 100 year effort to socialize medicine in America and Catholic support of the left.
In post #2 on this thread was a statement that "Catholics are socialists". That is as unbiased and impersonal as me saying "Moderators are satanists".
Had the statement been "some Catholics are socialists", or "many Catholics are socialists" might have made an acceptable qualification. I am a Catholic. How is that not making it personal, but commenting on an obvious display of ignorance is?
It has everything to do with it because it establishes credibility and standing. If all you have ever done to preserve and protect the constitution is mouth-off anonymously on the internet you cannot credibly question the patriotism and commitment of the millions of Catholics who have given so very much more to our republic.
When I wish you peace it is because I know the horrors of war.
No this thread is about the historical fight of the Catholic church and it’s members fighting and voting to socialize America.
The thread topic is the 100 year effort by Rome to socialize American medicine.
Go ahead and post your proof for that claim.
You wrote:
“Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of “making it personal.”
Okay, so was ansel12 getting personal with every one in this thread when he wrote:
“Over and over I see posters on this thread that are here at a conservative site, yet have zero interest in advancing conservatism in America...”
Wouldn’t he have to read EVERYONE’S mind to come to that conclusion? So, didn’t he just “make it personal” with almost every single person in this thread?
“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”
Archbishop Chaput
USCCB responds to SCOTUS health care ruling
The full response is posted further on down the thread in the first 50 posts.
The left and right disagree with whether Jesus wants America to be left-wing, or conservative.
Catholics vote left-wing because they absorb the Catholic leadership’s message.
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