Posted on 07/02/2012 6:30:14 AM PDT by Cronos
I would beg to differ. When the first reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli) came along they opened the floodgates to many who picked up the idea of "I can read the Bible and come to my own conclusion" and you have a cacophony of different opinions voiced
The additional point was that these different opinions could get equal sanction as being self-interpretation, which did happen in Swedenborg's case.
I would not classify the Swedenborgians as Protestants, note, but I point out that they are the product of a thought that one can come up with one's own interpretation of the Bible and it is equally valid
in orthodoxy this would be difficult as the question would be "does it match or complement what was there before?" -- hence the Old Believers' revolt in Russia in the 1600s.
Thank you. I understand and concur.
I call you out on this as well. Firstly, should we consider Swedenborgians or Unitarians or Jehovah's Witnesses as Protestants?
Secondly, if they bring up a point on any thread you'all are on that says to the effect that the Trinity is a man-made construct, wouldn't or shouldn't you'all object? But no....not a whisper --> in contrast as given above, when Kosta's view was against orthodoxy, I called him out.
I am not a “sour puss”, I keep shouting Heaven has already
revealed it, the Remnant is Roman Catholic.
All the Protestant current prophetic is pointing to the fact, God can’t say it directly yet, you all will say no!
The Protestant prophetic I have posted, the response is
“false prophet.” And these are your own guys/gals? Putting
down your own messengers, do you think God is ignoring
non-Catholic Christians? He is not.
Start reading Catholic writings, a Catholic Bible http://www.drbo.org, the Catechism, lives of the saints to prepare for the Great Tribulation and the new time, the Millennium. #1, I’ll tell you, accept the Holy Eucharist.
Here’s a quote from a former Presbyterian minister, it
shoots one heresy right out of the air. Really, it’s
a major one. Sola Fide messes up every area of the faith.
Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
“For years, as a Calvinist preacher, I recited this verse in every funeral graveside service. I believed and taught Sola Fide and discounting any place for works in the process of our salvation. But then, after my last funeral service as a minister, a family member of the deceased cornered me. He asked, with a tremble in his voice, “What did you mean that Bill’s deeds follow him?” I don’t remember my response, but this was the first time I became aware of what I had been saying. This began a long study on what the New Testament and then the Early Church Fathers taught about the mysterious but necessary synergistic connection between our faith and our works.”
Whether there is a Remnant or whatever, if these are supposed to be good Christians, then quite definitely they will NOT be ONLY Catholics. "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, .. communion with the Catholic Church --> kapisz?
And there are quite a few non-Catholics who do that...
stpio: I am not a “sour puss”,
Ok, you're an ex-Catholic? Didn't know that, thanks for the information
” the Remnant is Roman Catholic.” —> whatever you want to believe, go ahead. There are good Christians who aren’t Catholic.
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I am speaking the Truth, I bet you a million dollars on
my quote. Come up with something better than your last sentence, it’s so general and less.
When you reject the means to God’s greatest graces, it’s
real hard to be “good” and almost impossible to be “holy.”
You, me, everyone needs God’s help.
“I don’t care about what the end-times prophecies say as to me what is more important is to follow Christ and His teachings.”
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You better care about the end-times, God put you here.
When you reject the Eucharist, Confession to a priest and
the help of the mother of God, Mary most holy, you are not
following Christ’s teachings.
And I only named three of them our brothers and sisters
reject. You gotta change Cronos. I say this sincerely.
“Whether there is a Remnant or whatever, if these are supposed to be good Christians, then quite definitely they will NOT be ONLY Catholics. “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, .. communion with the Catholic Church —> kapisz?”
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“Whether”....starting out not sure.
Roman Catholic and nothing else and those who say “no” will have rejected God’s mercy personally!! Your Catholic quote
doesn’t keep you safe in remaining a fallen away Catholic.
You don’t “understand”...God’s mercy is written in Revelation 6, the final verses, 15-17.
This is why it is so important you come home.
“All the Protestant current prophetic” — whatever, whether they are Catholic or Protestant or whatever, for me number 1 is to follow Christ’s word. If there are real prophets who talk of how the world will end, good for them. Whatever trials and tribulations there are or will be, why fixate on the future? Focus on TODAY and live according to God’s Teachings TODAY
And there are quite a few non-Catholics who do that..”
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Uh oh, you’re repeating yourself, you just said the same
in your last post. Why won’t you comment on Revelation
14:13? Cancels “Sola Fide”, that’s why.
I wonder if they are the same, that verse in the KJV?
You realize, talking about the end-times, it means the
end of a period of God’s time. We’re not near the
end of the world. The time we’re in now is the end
of the 6th Day.
That still means that there are no-Catholic Christians out there who are striving as well...
This obsession with what will happen in the future instead of focusing on here and now is a waste of time. Go, pray today, help your fellow man today
btw, I am Catholic and I still insist my fellow Christians who aren't Catholic still are called to holiness.
“When you reject the means to God’s greatest graces, it’s real hard to be “good” and almost impossible to be “holy.” — yup it’s hard, and yes it’s impossible for any living human to be completely ‘holy’, hence we strive.”
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“yup”...you agree! Yaaaaaaaah!!
Come on....”strive?”
You wouldn’t find it so difficult if you didn’t reject most
of God’s Revelation so the very means to God’s grace.
“btw, I am Catholic and I still insist my fellow Christians who aren’t Catholic still are called to holiness.”
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I am not going to reply to your 3rd time, same repeated words.
Protestants have been objecting to the faith since 1517. They need to change and they won’t make it through the times ahead without coming to the faith. Your final comment...
What? You’re Catholic? Why would you start such a thread?
Revelation 14:13
Douay-Rheims
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
King James Version (KJV)
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
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How is it you can still accept a man’s doctrine, Luther’s
“Sola Fide” after reading Revelation 14:13?
“For years, as a Calvinist preacher, I recited this verse in every funeral graveside service. I believed and taught Sola Fide and discounting any place for works in the process of our salvation. But then, after my last funeral service as a minister, a family member of the deceased cornered me. He asked, with a tremble in his voice, “What did you mean that Bill’s deeds follow him?” I don’t remember my response, but this was the first time I became aware of what I had been saying. This began a long study on what the New Testament and then the Early Church Fathers taught about the mysterious but necessary synergistic connection between our faith and our works.”
The best thing those who lose a loved one can do is to avoid hurting others who survive the loved one by waking up all those sleeping dogs they tiptoed around for years.
you're not going to get any converts with that tone. Talk of the positives of God's complete revelation in the sacraments and in the Divine Liturgy if you want people to change. Otherwise its just mouthing off.
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