“well, they are weird to us. To some that is utterly real. The steam-etc. analogy to me has problems. I’m sure you of course see problems in what I believe too :) To me if these were different modes, how can the scene of Christ’s baptism occur? seriously?
I explain it by remembering that as Jesus, He was limited as man. But God is omnipresent.
As for questions? The day I think I fully understand God is the day I tell Him He is in my seat. 10 seconds later, I’ll hear a door slam shut behind me.
And the a guy dressed in red will ask “what are you in for? Take a seat. We’ll be here a while.”
But that seems to me to be separating Jesus' two natures
The problems i still see in the steam- etc. Sabellian concept is that John 17 where Jesus is talking to the Father and also in John 14:13 I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do: that the Father may be glorified in the Son. and John 14:28 You have heard that I said to you: I go away, and I come unto you. If you loved me, you would indeed be glad, because I go to the Father: -- if these were different roles or modes or phases, one role/phase/mode cannot go to be with another or two phases can't send the third.
the good thing to me is that you don't fall into the traps of denying one or the other of the Godhead as not being divine
Here's some more on what Calvinists from their own doctrinal opc website say about the Pentecostals and you compare it to what Catholics say
OrthodoPresbyterianC doctrine |
Catholic doctrine |
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Grace is first and foremost the gift of the Spirit who justifies and sanctifies us. But grace also includes the gifts that the Spirit grants us to associate us with his work, to enable us to collaborate in the salvation of others and in the growth of the Body of Christ, the Church. There are sacramental graces, gifts proper to the different sacraments. There are furthermore special graces, also called charisms after the Greek term used by St. Paul and meaning "favor," "gratuitous gift," "benefit."53
Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church. They are at the service of charity which builds up the Church |