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To: Cronos

“well, they are weird to us. To some that is utterly real. The steam-etc. analogy to me has problems. I’m sure you of course see problems in what I believe too :) To me if these were different modes, how can the scene of Christ’s baptism occur? seriously?


I explain it by remembering that as Jesus, He was limited as man. But God is omnipresent.

As for questions? The day I think I fully understand God is the day I tell Him He is in my seat. 10 seconds later, I’ll hear a door slam shut behind me.
And the a guy dressed in red will ask “what are you in for? Take a seat. We’ll be here a while.”


368 posted on 07/04/2012 8:51:34 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan
"I explain it by remembering that as Jesus, He was limited as man. But God is omnipresent."

But that seems to me to be separating Jesus' two natures

The problems i still see in the steam- etc. Sabellian concept is that John 17 where Jesus is talking to the Father and also in John 14:13 I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do: that the Father may be glorified in the Son. and John 14:28 You have heard that I said to you: I go away, and I come unto you. If you loved me, you would indeed be glad, because I go to the Father: -- if these were different roles or modes or phases, one role/phase/mode cannot go to be with another or two phases can't send the third.

the good thing to me is that you don't fall into the traps of denying one or the other of the Godhead as not being divine

371 posted on 07/04/2012 9:06:44 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: LevinFan
Regarding the concept of speaking in tongues:

Here's some more on what Calvinists from their own doctrinal opc website say about the Pentecostals and you compare it to what Catholics say

OrthodoPresbyterianC doctrine

Catholic doctrine

  • It will be noted that the Confession sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement.
  • In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.
  • This is a very serious error. In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
  • Never again will there be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit such as took place on the day of Pentecost.
  • The sending of the Holy Spirit is just as much an unrepeatable event as the birth of Christ was.

Grace is first and foremost the gift of the Spirit who justifies and sanctifies us. But grace also includes the gifts that the Spirit grants us to associate us with his work, to enable us to collaborate in the salvation of others and in the growth of the Body of Christ, the Church. There are sacramental graces, gifts proper to the different sacraments. There are furthermore special graces, also called charisms after the Greek term used by St. Paul and meaning "favor," "gratuitous gift," "benefit."53 

 

Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church. They are at the service of charity which builds up the Church


416 posted on 07/04/2012 11:17:46 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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