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To: Cronos

Um, I have no problem with the broader context. But I can’t seem to win with y’all, because when I do post long quotes, I get told they are too lengthy and they are not read. Go figure.

Anyway, I see nothing in your extended quote that demonstrates transubstantiation. In fact, I see even more words that suggest an analogical relationship between the elements and the underlying reality. I hope you weren’t counting on gaining much from your extra effort, though it certainly is appreciated. At least you are reading some of what I am saying, and that is notable and helpful.


378 posted on 07/04/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I get told they are too lengthy and they are not read.

Now besides not reading the Bible, you're not reading the reply posts -- no one said what you said. On the contrary, I told you Springfield, as with the Bible, you need to read in entirety, not excerpts

and So why don't you stop reading excerpts and actually read the details?

Because you did NOT read what Pope Gelasius actually said in entirety, what he DID say was

This Wisdom ministers to us the food of the Incarnation of Christ through which we are made sharers of the divine nature. Certainly the sacraments of the Body and Blood of Christ that we receive are a divine reality, because of which and through which we 'are made sharers of the divine nature'(1 Pt 1:4). Nevertheless the substance or nature of bread and wine does not cease to exist. And certainly the image and likeness of the Body and Blood of Christ are celebrated in the carrying out the Mysteries." Pope Gelasius I[regn A.D. 492-496],Tract on the two natures against Eutchyes & Nestorius
So, first read it before making a statement. The Body of Christ being in the bread is not negated

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist or not?

382 posted on 07/04/2012 10:02:29 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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